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beenjammin
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16:10 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I also think the less bonus points, the better.

I have an idea for scoring in killer, a way it can be more accurate, count every position. Also to give it weight more equal to the other types.

Instead of one 3 vs 3 game, have two 2 vs 2 games. Scoring would be 3 for 1st, 2 for 2nd, 1 for 3rd, and 0 for 4th.
If you like, could limit one killer game per player (in a fixture).
2 games at 6 points each gives 12 points, just like straight. Not sure if you're keeping 7 or going back to 6 frames of the other types, if 6, every type would have 2 matches giving 6 points each, 12 points! perfect balance

Another plus, two 2 vs 2 games should be easier to get played than a 3 vs 3.
cgibson92
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16:22 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I also think the less bonus points, the better.

I have an idea for scoring in killer, a way it can be more accurate, count every position. Also to give it weight more equal to the other types.

Instead of one 3 vs 3 game, have two 2 vs 2 games. Scoring would be 3 for 1st, 2 for 2nd, 1 for 3rd, and 0 for 4th.
If you like, could limit one killer game per player (in a fixture).
2 games at 6 points each gives 12 points, just like straight. Not sure if you're keeping 7 or going back to 6 frames of the other types, if 6, every type would have 2 matches giving 6 points each, 12 points! perfect balance

Another plus, two 2 vs 2 games should be easier to get played than a 3 vs 3.


Completely agree.
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16:38 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Problem with that is as soon as one player is out you leave 1 v 2 and near impossible to get something out of the game for the 1. Two 3v3 with the same scoring would be better
w_hoolahan
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16:47 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Or.. two 2v2.. 1st = 2 pts, 2nd = 1pt ..

then total comes to add to 6pts.. being like the other game types, etc.
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16:59 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Or:

3 Points - 1st/2nd
1 Point - 3rd/4th
0 for 5th/6th

Meant to be a team game, more points rewarded the higher position still. I dont mean you only get 3 points for coming 1 and 2 you get 3 points for being 1st and 3 points for being 2nd ( total 6)
beenjammin
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17:35 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Problem with that is as soon as one player is out you leave 1 v 2 and near impossible to get something out of the game for the 1. Two 3v3 with the same scoring would be better


Even in 3 vs 3 games, I've seen it get to 1 vs 3 , and the one end up winning, more than once.
Same scoring with 3 vs 3 wouldn't count every position, unless you went 5,4,3,2,1,0, and that doesn't total 12.
Or.. two 2v2.. 1st = 2 pts, 2nd = 1pt ..

then total comes to add to 6pts.. being like the other game types, etc.

But the other game types have a total of 12, or 14 (if staying at 7 frames).I was thinking 2 games awarding 6 points each, so as to total 12.
beenjammin
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17:38 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Or:

3 Points - 1st/2nd
1 Point - 3rd/4th
0 for 5th/6th

Meant to be a team game, more points rewarded the higher position still. I dont mean you only get 3 points for coming 1 and 2 you get 3 points for being 1st and 3 points for being 2nd ( total 6)

That too, doesn't count every position accurately, differently, if you will.
bluenose1872
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17:47 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I have spoken to Jema but will post this here anyway.

I think the normal games should go back to six frames instead of the current seven frames. Remove the bonus point for the win so there is a possible chance at drawing in a game. (Jema agrees with the removal of the bonus point.)

I think two games of Killer at 2v2 would work nicely especially if the league frames are knocked down to six. I also like the idea of the scoring posted by beenjammin.

First - Three Points
Second - Two Points
Third - One Point
Fourth - Zero


With two games that does make up the twelve points you can get in other game types (if the frames are reduced). Also gives the possibility of a draw in killer which would be interesting and in many cases this season would be fair.
beenjammin
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17:50 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
That's great, thanks for listening

You see folks, posting your ideas isn't always a waste of time.
bluenose1872
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17:55 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
That's great, thanks for listening

You see folks, posting your ideas isn't always a waste of time.


Well it is here as i am not a runner in this league
erigert
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17:55 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
i agree with two games of killer 2 vs 2 but the players shouldnt play on both games. i guess a full team with 16 players can manage two games of killer 2 vs 2 without using the same players, or otherwise the team with the best killer players will get a huge advantage on the fixture.
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17:59 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
4 players out of 16, wow that's a bit steep, so potentially 12 players to be annoyed, lol.

With that scoring system i would had made it 4x4, accommodating 8 players from a team. (50%)

But up you you, I will just hide when the fixtures come out lol.
beenjammin
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18:00 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Agreed, I did say: "If you like, could limit one killer game per player (in a fixture)."

Or do you mean, the killer players can't play in ANY other type?
erigert
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18:01 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
4 players out of 16, wow that's a bit steep, so potentially 12 players to be annoyed, lol.

With that scoring system i would had made it 4x4, accommodating 8 players from a team. (50%)

But up you you, I will just hide when the fixtures come out lol.


how many online players do you have on now btw?
erigert
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18:02 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Agreed, I did say: "If you like, could limit one killer game per player (in a fixture)."

Or do you mean, the killer players can't play in ANY other type?

no they can play in other types but not on the both games of killer
beenjammin
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18:03 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Then only 8 players from a clan needed
4 of them for killer

edit:misunderstood krazyash at first now I realize he worried about people wanting a killer game and not getting one. Well, this way does give one more player a game than 3 vs 3 used to

Edited at 18:07 Thu 05/09/13 (BST)
erigert
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18:10 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
and i think the scoring on straight needs to be changed too. if we look at the results of this last season the team which won the straight games won the overall fixture even though they lost the fixture, if we consider the other 4 types excluding straight. in other words i think that straight has too much weight on the final result. my suggestion is this:

2 frames of Straight not 3
if a player wins a frame with his opponent scoring less than 20 points he gets 3 points
if a player wins a frame with his opponent scoring more than 20 points he gets 2 points and his opponent 1 point.

in the end straight can contribute with 12 points (just like it does now.
beenjammin
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18:15 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Sorry, dont see how that changes the weight, 12 stays 12.
Besides, I think every type should remain equal.
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18:19 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Yeah I would prefer to be able to choose 8 players from my team to play Killer than just 4, I have 16 players, 8 is plenty the other 8 can be subs or technically 6 as (positions 15 and 16) are used mainly for subs for any discipline on my team sheet.
erigert
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18:19 Thu 5 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Sorry, dont see how that changes the weight, 12 stays 12.
Besides, I think every type should remain equal.


if i have the two best players on straight 90% of the time i can gain an advantage of 12 points over the other team, instead if i have the two best players on 9ball theres only a 5-10% of chance to gain an advantage of 12 points cause its easier to lose a frame in 9 ball than in straight.

and my system changes the weight in this way: if i lose three frames on the current system 35-34 i lose 6-0. meanwhile in my system if you lose 2 frames 35-34 the result would be 4-2
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