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whocares8x8
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21:31 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Team Killer

1st - 12 points (should be rewared more and cannot be overtaken with other team coming 2nd/3rd)
2nd - 6 points
3rd - 4 points
4th - 2 points
5th/6th - Zilch
How about we use the indycar system:

50-40-35-32-30-28-26-24-22-20-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5
erigert
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21:32 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Team Killer

1st - 12 points (should be rewared more and cannot be overtaken with other team coming 2nd/3rd)
2nd - 6 points
3rd - 4 points
4th - 2 points
5th/6th - Zilch
How about we use the indycar system:

50-40-35-32-30-28-26-24-22-20-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5


LMAO
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21:34 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Team Killer

1st - 12 points (should be rewared more and cannot be overtaken with other team coming 2nd/3rd)
2nd - 6 points
3rd - 4 points
4th - 2 points
5th/6th - Zilch
How about we use the indycar system:

50-40-35-32-30-28-26-24-22-20-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5


LMAO


Assume Mooney told you this, I gave him the idea about half an hour ago hahaha!
erigert
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21:38 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
We can play 6 frames of straight, but apparently people have problems with that

I think a system like that will increase tapping. I would be well inclined to tap the game to death in the beginning, so that we would both go to -15. Then I have a much better chance of my opponent not getting to 20 points.

Straight, just like the other game types, is about winning the game. It's not how you win or by how much. It's about winning it. Let's not reward those who lose frames.


i agree with you that it isnt fair also that someone who loses gets a point, but certainly this system isnt fair how it is now, and i cant think of a better idea to amortise it. cause its a fact that straight plays the most important part on the overall result (maybe for the reasons ive said above, cause you cant get a point or a draw)
angry_bacon
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21:40 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
It doesn't matter how many points you scored in a frame of straight, if you lost, you lost - your opponent got 35 points before you did. This isn't like the debates about not losing points when someone runs out against you, you got at least one shot here. No matter the quality of your opponent, you got a shot, and messed up somewhere / left half a chance.

Unless you played a superb break off shot and your opponent smashed and potted and cleared
whocares8x8
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21:43 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Assume Mooney told you this, I gave him the idea about half an hour ago hahaha!
lol yes he did. Well done to you then
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21:44 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Assume Mooney told you this, I gave him the idea about half an hour ago hahaha!
lol yes he did. Well done to you then


I was just trolling just like you, he gave me the same idea on steam chat!
whocares8x8
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21:46 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
but certainly this system isnt fair how it is now, and i cant think of a better idea to amortise it. cause its a fact that straight plays the most important part on the overall result (maybe for the reasons ive said above, cause you cant get a point or a draw)
I have to say I disagree on every point you make there.
I think it is fair now. I don't see why not.
Straight is also not worth more or less than any other game type and is therefore not more or less important than the others. That's the whole point.
erigert
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21:51 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
but certainly this system isnt fair how it is now, and i cant think of a better idea to amortise it. cause its a fact that straight plays the most important part on the overall result (maybe for the reasons ive said above, cause you cant get a point or a draw)
I have to say I disagree on every point you make there.
I think it is fair now. I don't see why not.
Straight is also not worth more or less than any other game type and is therefore not more or less important than the others. That's the whole point.


well then im going to make u two simple questions?
whats the chance that a Ballbreaker player (no offence to them btw) wins a frame of straight against you and whats the chance he wins one in 8us?
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21:57 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
50%

He either wins it or he doesn't.

Forgot all the statistics calculations I used to do at A level or I would work it out haha, had a go at working it out and it come out at about 8% which I know for a fact is wrong, it is probably more about 10-15%

^^ that is straight cba doing us.
erigert
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22:06 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
50%

He either wins it or he doesn't.

Forgot all the statistics calculations I used to do at A level or I would work it out haha, had a go at working it out and it come out at about 8% which I know for a fact is wrong, it is probably more about 10-15%

^^ that is straight cba doing us.


you pass in theory but not in practice
beenjammin
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23:43 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Have to admit straight more commonly has 6-0's, lower luck factor than other types. Considering that, giving it equal weight again, makes it more of a deciding factor in the outcome of a team fixture than other types are.
I agree though that you shouldn't get a point for losing (different than getting a point for 3rd in my killer idea, 3rd did beat 4th, wasn't last).
Here's an idea,
8us: 2 matches of 7 frames
9us: 2 matches of 7 frames
8uk: 2 matches of 7 frames
str: 2 matches of 3 frames, giving 6 points, makes it's ability to decide a team fixture more equal to other types, than if the other types drop back to 6.
killer: 2 games, 2 vs 2, scoring 4,2,1,0.
Guarantees every position is counted, guarantees the winner wins, max score 6-1.
Totals 14 points, just like 3 of the 4 other types.

I think this considers all opinions on the format.

Edited at 20:51 Fri 06/09/13 (BST)
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23:51 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I am not a fan of the double points awarded in straight but I fear if I take it away people will be cross lol I shall be leaving it at 3 games of straight worth 2 points a piece.

As some people would like the ability to draw in a game, the frames per game will be increased to 8 - this kind of removes some of the weight that beenjammin is taking about regarding 6 - 0's in straight.

killer will be 2 x 2v2 games but I have not yet decided which scoring to use as everyone makes good points - so we'll see on that one.
beenjammin
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23:52 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I like it so far.
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23:55 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Thanks been
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23:57 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
What would be so wrong with 6 frames of straight?

I can't imagine the time difference would be too different too a 6 frame match of original over on Snooker (don't all shoot me!), or even a full 15 frame match of FCL. Would only take 1 - 2 hours.

Straight skews all results because of the 2 points for a frame
bluenose1872
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00:19 Sat 7 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
The day i take two hours to play an FCL game is the day i die.

I do agree though i think there should be more frames of straight even if it was upped to four games as then you have the chance at a draw in that type (right now you dont unless it is the cup)
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00:54 Sat 7 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Well with the other games going to 8 wouldn't straight go to 4?

Then the game can be drawn.
erigert
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00:57 Sat 7 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
that should remain at least 3 or otherwise it is going to get worse. i can imagine a big team vs a smaller one gaining 16 points of advantage only on straight
beenjammin
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01:00 Sat 7 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Read above guys, she's already decided to keep straight at 6/12 points because of the low luck factor, the high occurence of whitewash results.
erigert actually pointed it out, I agree
The high occurence of 8-0's would give straight more weight than other types, if you think about it.
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