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ab_rfc
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14:37 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
No one knows how many points a player will get if the fixture is played, it's all guess work, what would a predicted score be if say dvz deactivated and created a new account ?, no one knows it's him and he's a newbie playing been, I'm guessing a big predicted score to been, we all know both are capable of getting a big score in that one or it could be close and go either way, unless you know who every player is and what they are capable of it would just be a guess.
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14:39 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
No one knows how many points a player will get if the fixture is played, it's all guess work, what would a predicted score be if say dvz deactivated and created a new account ?, no one knows it's him and he's a newbie playing been, I'm guessing a big predicted score to been, we all know both are capable of getting a big score in that one or it could be close and go either way, unless you know who every player is and what they are capable of it would just be a guess.


Well first off, the player would have to wait 30 days until he was eligible to play. So in that 30 days, hopefully he would have played some games, which would give a representation to his/her ability.
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14:41 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
It is clear that everyone is not going to agree, and yes I am going to try and get a trial of this, because I think it will change the way we do defaults, for the better.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it!!
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14:42 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
I'm knocking it and will not try it, sorry happy it's not a good idea at all. I think more arguing will ensue from this way of doing defaults than any other way before.
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14:43 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Maybe a vote on it should be done before you push through any form of trial?

When Jemma (pixie_dust) were on here she used to post votes, maybe that's required.
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14:43 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
I'm knocking it and will not try it, sorry happy it's not a good idea at all.


As I said earlier, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I fully respect yours.

Don't let this affect our wonderful straight matches
I have set up a chair and everything so I can watch you now haha
derik_dalton
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14:44 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
when jema were on here, her boyfriend used to cahnge the names on the team sheets
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14:44 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Maybe a vote on it should be done before you push through any form of trial?

When Jemma (pixie_dust) were on here she used to post votes, maybe that's required.


Votes are terrible aswell, should be left to the league runners to decide, no offence to jema but never agreed with those votes.
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14:45 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Ok so their stats are great with lots of wins, are you going to check all their results to see who they have played ?
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14:45 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
I'm knocking it and will not try it, sorry happy it's not a good idea at all.


As I said earlier, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I fully respect yours.

Don't let this affect our wonderful straight matches
I have set up a chair and everything so I can watch you now haha


Ill be on in ten
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14:45 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
when jema were on here, her boyfriend used to cahnge the names on the team sheets


That's totally irrelevant derik, the principle were about the voting system, nothing else.
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14:46 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Maybe a vote on it should be done before you push through any form of trial?

When Jemma (pixie_dust) were on here she used to post votes, maybe that's required.


Votes are terrible aswell, should be left to the league runners to decide, no offence to jema but never agreed with those votes.


Thats' fine, maybe the votes could be from team Captain only?
beenjammin
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14:46 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
I don't think chris does votes, he seems to do what he thinks is best.

I liked the votes though, nice to see a league runner try and do what the majority thinks is best.

Even better than that, when there's room to do it, would be nice if the runners let everyone have their way somewhere.
(I'm pushing for one league each way again here, one by team matches, one by indiv matches, and one by frame count)

Edited at 14:52 Fri 02/05/14 (BST)
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14:48 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Maybe a vote on it should be done before you push through any form of trial?

When Jemma (pixie_dust) were on here she used to post votes, maybe that's required.


Look about 3 pages back, I asked for a vote.
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14:49 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Ok so their stats are great with lots of wins, are you going to check all their results to see who they have played ?


As I said on the previous page, that is what I will do. I keep a check on a lot of matches. I will not be naive and look at just stats or go off the name of the player
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14:49 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
when jema were on here, her boyfriend used to cahnge the names on the team sheets


That's totally irrelevant derik, the principle were about the voting system, nothing else.


so if ther was a vote from other captains and runners wether to let u captain a side after your antics this seaon ud be happy with that
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14:56 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Maybe a vote on it should be done before you push through any form of trial?

When Jemma (pixie_dust) were on here she used to post votes, maybe that's required.


Votes are terrible aswell, should be left to the league runners to decide, no offence to jema but never agreed with those votes.


Thats' fine, maybe the votes could be from team Captain only?


Would that include voted from any captains we know for next year?
As it will directly them also.
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15:44 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
I don't see how anybody can be against a trial when somebody is happy to run one properly. It doesn't mean that the system will be implemented it's just simply a test to see whether it's a viable alternative. At least he is trying to offer a solution and to properly test it without it getting thrust upon us!

I tried to get some kind of voting system going previously. In an ideal world it would be the way to go, but in my opinion it is never going to work. There are too many issues to begin with;

A - No matter what system is implemented there are always going to be arguments and usually between the same few contributors.

B - There seems to be a set few individuals who make it their goal to barrack runners and positive contributors at every possible avenue and seem to just want to selfishly spout their ideas and opinions until they get their way. This discussion thread is testament to that.

C - Any voting system is going to be flawed. An open vote won't show a fair return of opinions within the league because (as has been proven by past votes) there won't be a fair representation i.e. not everybody will vote or there will be an unbalanced vote by team. A closed vote (e.g. a panel) will quite easily get corrupted with the amount of cronyism that goes on on here (we all know it!).

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15:44 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
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Furthermore - Why should there even be a vote? League runners aren't undergoing a job and they are not elected individuals. Why should they have to run a system that they don't personally agree with?

There seems to be a common misconception that runners "owe" something to the community. What an absolute load of tosh. If anything it's the other way around!

With all due respect, if you don't agree with the way things are done either get involved, set up your own event with things the way you think they should be done or sod off. Berating and hounding runners at the end of every season does not achieve anything and is just a nuisance.

For example - This argument that returns every off-season that bonus points shouldn't be included in the FCL - Chris has always clearly stated that he disagrees and so will use bonus points. Fair enough, leave it at that. I personally believe that there shouldn't be bonus points but I respect his opinion and understand that ultimately he is giving his time up to run the league and shouldn't be expected to adhere to a system that he doesn't agree with.

I'm not saying that ideas can't be contributed - By all means contribute decent ideas but respect the idea that runners aren't bound by some rule to take these ideas on.

It can't just be me who is bored of reading the same arguments every couple of months.
beenjammin
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15:57 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
A seperate clan killer league? I love it.

I've always pushed for more accurate scoring in clan killer. A method that would recognize the difference between a team getting 1st, 3rd, and 4th, or 1st, 5th, and 6th.(just one of many possible examples)
Where every position would score differently, for example 4th place did better than 6th, shouldn't he earn more?

This was always an obstacle though (when killer was part of another league), too many points needed to do it and still keep in balance with other game types.

I suggest:
1st = 8, if you want 1st to guarantee a win, 7 if you want it to guarantee at least a draw
2nd = 3 points
3rd = 2 points
4th = 1 point
5th = 0
6th = -1
maximum possible score is 12 or 13
minimum possible score is 0, in the past people have complained about getting something for nothing, when the minimum was more than 0. (the reason for the -1)
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