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vixen_xox
vixen_xox
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13:02 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
Kris, Craig, Tony, veyron, fastboysam, bigcj, h5o, drewdt3, Don_mega, even huts maybe or fatmikeee, immortal, zante, chocco, imran.. All players who may wish to continue playing and there's almost certainly more.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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13:06 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
good point, lots of good players out there still
_knightmare_
_knightmare_
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15:34 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
I don't mind, I know he wanted a couple of the players and he didn't want dv8 to join us because that was the very reason he decided to come with us.

I just don't see why the little digs such as uprising v2 and calling us "mutiny" (which is basically another term for an uprising) when at that point we only had 3 uprising players.

Fact is 2 clans folded so there's at least a minimum of around 20 players who want to continue playing clan pool. There are plenty from BS and still more from uprising (Jay was looking). I think it would be a very different story If Harriet and dv8 had gone to phoenix, but the decision ultimately lays with the individual player regardless of who has asked them to join where, and no captain would turn away players like that.


Eh? The reason I wanted dv8 was due to the fact we had him before until Uprising swooped in and took him with davybaumers. We've now got Davy back and managed to not only keep him at the team but to still play in the clan league. It would have been nice to have both but as already stated I'm not deluded.

Mutiny, is another term for Uprising, revolt, rebellion, defy orders etc... Also could apply to a New Revolution so that was my thinking behind it. I won't bother trying to help in future. It must be a DFE thing, I message James to try and persuade him to stay in clans and offer a few name suggestions not for my benefit yet it gets thrown back in my face.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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15:55 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
I message James to try and persuade him to stay in clans and offer a few name suggestions not for my benefit yet it gets thrown back in my face.


Offering to stay in clans is different to all this as we got on fine, You can't ridicule DFE and expect me to respond positively.

"The new DFE is just going to be totally ridiculous too."

^ You sent this to me and you expect me to respond positively.

And their is no mention of name ideas so that's a lie. We got on fine until you ridiculed DFE then it turned sour as i would expect if i ridiculed Phoenix then you post this on the forum...

"I probably won't entertain or bother if we only have 4 sides...looks like Uprising are merging instead of folding with DFE when surely Uprising could have stayed themselves. (Uprising_v2)"

Bringing the convo onto the forum, You, yourself started it both times then playing the victim, Doesn't work that way.

You can continue and i'll reply or you can leave it to bed, Up to you.
vixen_xox
vixen_xox
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15:57 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
I message James to try and persuade him to stay in clans and offer a few name suggestions not for my benefit yet it gets thrown back in my face.


Offering to stay in clans is different to all this as we got on fine, You can't ridicule DFE and expect me to respond positively.

"The new DFE is just going to be totally ridiculous too."

^ You sent this to me and you expect me to respond positively.

And their is no mention of name ideas so that's a lie. We got on fine until you ridiculed DFE then it turned sour as i would expect if i ridiculed Phoenix then you post this on the forum...

"I probably won't entertain or bother if we only have 4 sides...looks like Uprising are merging instead of folding with DFE when surely Uprising could have stayed themselves. (Uprising_v2)"

Bringing the convo onto the forum, You, yourself started it both times then playing the victim, Doesn't work that way.

You can continue and i'll reply or you can leave it to bed, Up to you.


How? Lol
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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16:02 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  


It's simple, because Uprising have merged with DFE instead of continuing He mentions that no real competition from my post yesterday but that doesn't add up as would have been no competition before we signed Uprising players. Now their is competition and other teams has a chance too with your list with guys like Kris who hasn't been signed up yet.

Despite the League becoming shorter the Competition is still there
_knightmare_
_knightmare_
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16:11 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
OMG! You think me saying DFE's going to be ridiculous means a bad way? Jeez, all I meant was the potential lineups could be ridiculous! (As in strong!)
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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16:19 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
OMG! You think me saying DFE's going to be ridiculous means a bad way? Jeez, all I meant was the potential lineups could be ridiculous! (As in strong!)


Yep i did, and most others would as well. If you truly meant like 8 robots on a team then i apologize but you need to work on wording as if it said...

The new DFE lineups are going to be totally ridiculous too as based from Uprising.

It's still a tad negative but i could sort of respect it at the same time however while DFE could have 8 robots on a team, Team B would be weaker and would be prone to defeats.

Nothing stopping other Captains doing it as well, and lets look another way, vs Uprising, you want you're best to play, right? or you want the AAA Killer Team to play it's only the same thing.

Others may want to split it so 4 Robots on each which could hurt in latter stages. All about Strategy and if you want an equal team or take a risk and dominate with one
klien
klien
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16:26 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'm abit unhappy that two clans are folding leaving potentially only four teams...

DFE and Phoenix power hungry, both wanting to win a final season even whilst taking all the players that could be used to build a fifth clan.

FPD and Misfits (joint venture through me and bucky) trying to keep the clan leagues going..

You can see from all the arguing which ways its going to go.. DFE and Phoenix will fight for the top players whilst completely ignoring the fact that a 5th clan is needed.... Who wants to win a 4 team league anyway, it wouldn't be any kind of achievement.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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16:43 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'm abit unhappy that two clans are folding leaving potentially only four teams...


We did know this for a while though, ever since Huts announced retirement about a month ago? and Stu was always going to fold.

DFE and Phoenix power hungry, both wanting to win a final season.


That isn't really fair, It's the players who choose where to go, Captains can only ask and people would break an arm to have someone like Harriet on their team so clans wouldn't turn them down. If every Captain asked Harriet for example then it's down to Harriet where she wants to go, If she chooses your clan then great, If not then it is a loss but more out there or Harriet could have just made her own clan.

Note: Harriet is just an example

You can see from all the arguing which ways its going to go.. DFE and Phoenix will fight for the top players whilst completely ignoring the fact that a 5th clan is needed....


Problem is their are people capable of running a clan but either don't have time or it isn't worth it to them.

Who wants to win a 4 team league anyway, it wouldn't be any kind of achievement.


The prestige is lower but it is only like winning a tournament since Java issues came about but a bit larger. For those who are happy winning tournaments then it means more to them.
vixen_xox
vixen_xox
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16:46 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
Without any new signings we only had 9/10 players, 8 if the people who remained unsure aren't counted. We needed more players to be able to participate in another season just the same as anyone else did.

Whether our players came from Uprising or from what's left of BS or even past clan players or new players, the amount of willing players remaining to form or join other clans would still remain the same.

We still don't have a full team.

I'd understand if we had 16 players and were adding more and more but that's not the case.
_knightmare_
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16:49 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'm abit unhappy that two clans are folding leaving potentially only four teams...

DFE and Phoenix power hungry, both wanting to win a final season even whilst taking all the players that could be used to build a fifth clan.

FPD and Misfits (joint venture through me and bucky) trying to keep the clan leagues going..

You can see from all the arguing which ways its going to go.. DFE and Phoenix will fight for the top players whilst completely ignoring the fact that a 5th clan is needed.... Who wants to win a 4 team league anyway, it wouldn't be any kind of achievement.


Phoenix - We don't need any additional players, it would have been nice to got say a dv8 or miss_harriet back but also I'm not going to remove anyone from my team list just because a supposed 'better player' might be available.

I too still do not see why someone couldn't have taken on Uprising or tried to keep them around. I also understand and appreciate faust's stance on wanting to call it a day.

There are still a lot of players unaccounted for by any team...it will be a real shame if they are still in that precarious position due to the lack of Captain's wanting to step up. We have many players within teams who are capable to run a team....yet they choose not too. (It's their choice)

4 Team league...will be boring as HELL.
klien
klien
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16:58 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
All I'm going to say is, at this point in time, im not feeling another season. I would need to see some immense changes for me to continue on for another season.

I was behind another season up until early last week. Half of my FPD team are going inactive or are losing interest. It may be time to call it a day.

I'm really not feeling the effort for a 4 team league, unfortunately.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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17:02 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
I too still do not see why someone couldn't have taken on Uprising or tried to keep them around. I also understand and appreciate faust's stance on wanting to call it a day.

There are still a lot of players unaccounted for by any team...it will be a real shame if they are still in that precarious position due to the lack of Captain's wanting to step up. We have many players within teams who are capable to run a team....yet they choose not too. (It's their choice)

4 Team league...will be boring as HELL.


I think they respect Stu too much and his wishes and that Uprising won't be the same without him. Without Stu at the helm then Uprising struggled to stay motivated as we saw earlier in the season with Killer until Zante and Keith stepped up and in a fixture where they wasn't much effort and Stu was away.

Just my honest opinion there.

Yes it would be a shame to see them clanless but with the way the league is, they aren't to keen to step up. I had a difficult time last time i ran a clan so i wouldn't go back there unless i had Seb with me in SS. Could ask Craig maybe? i'm sure he could fetch Shooters back if he wanted.

And Technically its an 8 team league with A and B, Only way it could work really but i see your logic on the 4 teams but the alternative would be the league folding unless a 5th clan surfaced
vixen_xox
vixen_xox
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17:09 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
^ If it was a 4 team league the FCL would have to be A and B teams, too.

There are plenty of players left over (14 or so listed above) who were all still playing before the captains folded.

I don't think Craig will form a clan because as soon as he entertained the idea he gave up because of a couple of tongue in cheek comments.

But that's not to say that someone else couldn't step up and do it.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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17:13 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
Posting my general feelings here, for a Month, Huts has posted that he is retiring but only now that people are moaning about a four team league? Should have been better prepared in all honesty. It's only since DFE signed some Uprising players (They needed some players as Me, North, Ally are leaving for starters) and Uprising just happened to accept Dee's offer. As Ash said, he would snap miss_harriet and dv8 in a heart beat and not ridiculing that as he is being honest as any clan would snap them up.

Just seems a coincidence that Ash and Klien are saying about Four Teams since DFE signed these players NOT before when we knew for a month, It would be a Four Team League.
vixen_xox
vixen_xox
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17:17 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
Posting my general feelings here, for a Month, Huts has posted that he is retiring but only now that people are moaning about a four team league? Should have been better prepared in all honesty. It's only since DFE signed some Uprising players (They needed some players as Me, North, Ally are leaving for starters) and Uprising just happened to accept Dee's offer. As Ash said, he would snap miss_harriet and dv8 in a heart beat and not ridiculing that as he is being honest as any clan would snap them up.

Just seems a coincidence that Ash and Klien are saying about Four Teams since DFE signed these players NOT before when we knew for a month, It would be a Four Team League.


Huts contemplated keeping a team together if he could get TOP players but nothing came of it so he decided against it.

We still don't have a full team, and as I previously said, we went down to 8/9 players without new signings, we wouldn't have survived a new season without new people anymore than misfits or BS would. So I'm not feeling guilty about filling spaces in a team that had spaces to fill just because others need to do the same, because the fact of the matter is, there are enough players to go around.
klien
klien
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17:21 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
Just seems a coincidence that Ash and Klien are saying about Four Teams since DFE signed these players NOT before when we knew for a month, It would be a Four Team League.



Don't know how you dare tbh.. Do you really think i'd consider folding because DFE got some of the Uprising players?

I'm just not prepared to go through the effort of captaining for a 4 team league when we struggled with defaults this season, look at your SL semi final for a key example, 4 fixtures and it takes nearly 2 - 3 weeks for them to be done?!

FYI - Erigert had FPD as first choice, but we decided it was best he not come to FPD because he had a problem with a player in FPD. FPD don't remove players to make way for others, even if signing Eri would have meant getting more of the Uprising players.

So don't kid yourself, I had the chance to make FPD into Uprising V2 .. I turned it down.

Finally, you massive hypocrite, dont blame me for folding when you can't even be bothered to stay in the leagues as a player...
vixen_xox
vixen_xox
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17:27 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
^ I asked Eri when he posted on the clan waiting thread, just the same as you did and others I'm guessing, he made it clear he was undecided as he was thinking about other options.

Then he contacted me during the last week because it wouldn't work for him there, which is totally fine with me. It really is always up to the individual.

Rich has wanted to play for DFE for a while as he went to Uprising from Professionals after the last season under James which we molded what was left into DFE. And Harriet likes to play alongside Rich.

It's not like we went on some Uprising hunt. I asked 2 from BS but heard nothing back, before any new players joined, I put that down to huts saying he was keeping a team going, but has since changed his mind again.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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17:30 Mon 7 Nov 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'm really not feeling the effort for a 4 team league, unfortunately.

I probably won't entertain or bother if we only have 4 sides

^ These lines (One from both) when Huts had said he was folding BS a month ago.

Just seems a coincidence that Ash and Klien are saying about Four Teams since DFE signed these players NOT before when we knew for a month, It would be a Four Team League.

^ Does it mention folding? Nope just less effort for a four teams league, Ash is the same, Fact is no one said a word other than Stu really until DFE signed them.

Just seemed coincidental to me.

Regarding me leaving as a Player, I had to endure politics since 2015. Arguing every deadline weekend about effort, getting games done, whether a team is winning etc.

Back in the day, you had none of that, Okay had arguing but no politics unlike today. I was taking a season off regardless of what happened. Is it not allowed to have time off? or do i have to play in league games every fixture?
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