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00:45 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Who actually voted for 2 x killer as from what i can see sam, matty and jay don't agree with it and that is three of the league runners?
ab_rfc
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00:47 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
2 games of killer per fixture is too much, it should be one game per fixture. It is bad enough it has been added but to add 2 per fixture is a joke. If i had known it was going to be 2 before the season started i would have pulled mvp out, i almost did when it was one game of killer but we had a few that were willing to play so i left it, now with 2 i wish i had.

Yep we should've, lets just hope killer works out and doesn't turn the FBL into a farce.


Useful post by a moderator who's meant to keep the peace.

Killer is what it is, at the end of the day it's impossible to tailor it to every ones requests so your literally just going to have to deal with it. We will obviously be trying our best to make it as suitable as possible for all teams, but do not expect it to be a flawless format. The runners expect their to be hiccups along the way and we hope that by next season it's up and running to the best of it's ability.

As for ace_champ your not an FBL member so get lost.

Edited at 18:43 Tue 26/06/12 (BST)


Strange comment, sorry forgot some people don't like us mods having an opinion lol
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00:57 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Who actually voted for 2 x killer as from what i can see sam, matty and jay don't agree with it and that is three of the league runners?


I agreed with it as my option for the one straight one killer got ignored lol.
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10:31 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Straight has been two games per fixture from the start of this league though. I still stand by my idea from a while back that it should be one game of killer per fixture with a team but oh well


If it's going to be used would like to see just one fixture instead. Not sure how you are going to score the killer matches if it goes to a default.
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12:10 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
2 games of killer is ridiculous.

Some teams as I have pointed out before struggle to get 1 player on to play vs one other player never mind 3 on each team... TWICE!
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12:28 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree with everyone here and have even said it all myself before, im going to have a chat with Matty and see what is what with all of this.
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14:57 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Surely it is a bit late to be altering the format when the fixtures have already started being released?

it should be 2 x killer to match 2 x straight or as matty suggested, reduce straight to 1 game and have 1 killer too.

killer was introduced to balance out the straight issue
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15:35 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Don't really see how straight was an issue before. I see people say "it gives some teams a 12-0 advantage", but so could any other game type if the players involved are that much better than their opponents (or if they get a bit of luck)

I'm sure killer was just put in to add a little more fun to the FBL as alot of players have lost interest in clans completely

Yes, 2 games of 3x3 is too much to ask, a few clans could easily achieve it but there are too many clans with players who are rarely on at the same time as others and/or too many inactive players, which would lower the chances of them getting played

Defaults was meant to be kept to a minimum, but with 2 games of killer we are going to end up back where we started, in my opinion

I personally like the idea of killer, but I for one would have liked it to be trialled for a full season before actually putting it in with the other game types as it could ruin this current season. I suggested to mattywellie that a separate league for just the killer games should have been made, to which i had the reply of "some people wont take it seriously and not play their games". My response was to make it mandatory and any teams not willing to give it a go shouldn't take part in the league

And I know alot of people will say its not fair that teams shouldn't be allowed in the league due to not playing killer, but its the same as someone saying "we will play fbl, but we cant be bothered with 9us, so we just wont play it"
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15:36 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
And if a team refuses to play a game type, surely its a rule break and they shouldn't be allowed in anyway.

But then again, some rules have already been broken so not quite sure if it will make much difference lol


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15:42 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
And if a team refuses to play a game type, surely its a rule break and they shouldn't be allowed in anyway.

But then again, some rules have already been broken so not quite sure if it will make much difference lol




Rules have been broken?
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15:43 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
And if a team refuses to play a game type, surely its a rule break and they shouldn't be allowed in anyway.

But then again, some rules have already been broken so not quite sure if it will make much difference lol




Rules have been broken?


Not aimed at this league inparticular
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15:46 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
And if a team refuses to play a game type, surely its a rule break and they shouldn't be allowed in anyway.

But then again, some rules have already been broken so not quite sure if it will make much difference lol




Rules have been broken?



Ahhh I know a few rules that have been broken and I've notified jay but as league already starts can't change it now :\
Not aimed at this league inparticular
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15:49 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
And if a team refuses to play a game type, surely its a rule break and they shouldn't be allowed in anyway.

But then again, some rules have already been broken so not quite sure if it will make much difference lol




Rules have been broken?


Not aimed at this league inparticular


Ahhh I know a few rules that have been broken and I've notified jay but as league already starts can't change it now :\


LOL quite a big rule for one has been, and I've got a good mind to speak up about it

especially when the person involved said "ill leave it like it until someone notices"
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16:31 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Who actually voted for 2 x killer as from what i can see sam, matty and jay don't agree with it and that is three of the league runners?


I agreed with it as my option for the one straight one killer got ignored lol.
wrong there is not two games of killer it is four which i think is way too much tbh i never seen it when you guys ask for captains votes i would of vote against this killer games:) i only hope you guys can take this away from the league my oppinion FBL was working just fine before this new format no changes need it tho :(
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16:32 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Who actually voted for 2 x killer as from what i can see sam, matty and jay don't agree with it and that is three of the league runners?


I agreed with it as my option for the one straight one killer got ignored lol.
wrong there is not two games of killer it is four which i think is way too much tbh i never seen it when you guys ask for captains votes i would of vote against this killer games:) i only hope you guys can take this away from the league my oppinion FBL was working just fine before this new format no changes need it tho :(


2 per fixture 4 per fixture set :-)
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17:17 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
to be fair the killer didn't get trialled properly imo, yeah one killer game got trialled and worked but your pushing 2 on us without being trialled first.

if your that worried about straight reduce it to 1 fixture as with killer. i know people will say "straight was here from the start" but the circumstances regarding killer change that.

most clans can get one killer game done easily (does it matter if they use 3 best players? most clans will rotate between players and just tend to use the best 3 for clans like MVP). two killer games is shrouded in mystery as it wasn't trialled.
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17:37 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
to be fair the killer didn't get trialled properly imo, yeah one killer game got trialled and worked but your pushing 2 on us without being trialled first.

if your that worried about straight reduce it to 1 fixture as with killer. i know people will say "straight was here from the start" but the circumstances regarding killer change that.

most clans can get one killer game done easily (does it matter if they use 3 best players? most clans will rotate between players and just tend to use the best 3 for clans like MVP). two killer games is shrouded in mystery as it wasn't trialled.


IMO even if 2 games was trialled and completed, it could quite easily have been a fluke. A full season trial would be sufficient, that way everyone could see if killer would work on a regular basis.

Bare in mind it was half term and bank holidays when killer was trialled, meaning no work on bank holiday and no school for half term. Players will obviously be on more during this time. Now that its back to school and work as normal 6 players would find it be extremely hard to get online to play at the same time. Two games would make it more of a realistic possibility. Four is asking for a near miracle.

Just my opinion
dgeneratio
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18:00 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
yup maybe the separate killer league for the season would have sufficed? then clans who feel they can do 2 3 vs 3 killer can enter while those who struggle don't, if the separate league is successful THEN implement it to the actual league, this way it can be trialled properly while the main league is running
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18:41 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
yup maybe the separate killer league for the season would have sufficed? then clans who feel they can do 2 3 vs 3 killer can enter while those who struggle don't, if the separate league is successful THEN implement it to the actual league, this way it can be trialled properly while the main league is running


I agree, but for teams who want to take part in next season for fbl, (teams who are already in fbl this season) they should be made to take part in the trial or it wont be accurate.

Like I said on a previous post, it should be made mandatory just like any other game type, its quite simple, just don't put the killer results onto the normal results table. If teams fail to get games played, it would show unreliability and it wouldn't ruin the league (based on too many defaults) if it was recorded on a different table during the trial.
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19:16 Wed 27 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
No idea what killer has to do with straight.
As far as I'm aware, killer was not introduced to balance anything out, it was introduced because it is fun!!
I do think that 2 killer fixtures to be played by 6 different players from each team is a bit much, HOWEVER you're all criticizing after less than a week of one fixture! Way to give it a chance...

If it turns out to be a mess, the results of the killer games could still be removed from the league later in the season without hurting anyone or anything.

So why the big issue?

Killer was voted on, was trialled, and then introduced. If it is part of the competition, teams will have to be play it or leave.

(Although I would still change it to either 1 killer game per fixture or allow players to play in both killer games, so that it can be done in one session).
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