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dgeneratio
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03:02 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
The reversing thing we can't do much about as Captain has that power, I think tactical subbing should be allowed but picking opponents should not (even though i did it against Elite Force, i had problems with lag however i knew Pete was better than myself so asked if he wanted to play it since he was online which he agreed).

Maybe a ban on subs for first 2 or 3 days unless a decent explanation can be explained to the runner
punkpoet
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03:02 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree, I have been saying for a while there needs to be prrof of subs. be it showing of a message or if the opponents been offline 7 days.
This season its getting ridiculous simply cause of tactical subbing. Now there needs to be a definitive answer yes or no to tactical subbing.
Personally I'm against it 100%
punkpoet
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03:06 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
The reversing thing we can't do much about as Captain has that power, I think tactical subbing should be allowed but picking opponents should not (even though i did it against Elite Force, i had problems with lag however i knew Pete was better than myself so asked if he wanted to play it since he was online which he agreed).

Maybe a ban on subs for first 2 or 3 days unless a decent explanation can be explained to the runner


Yeah I did that in pre season, not for tactical reasons, I just felt that the original fixture had more chance of getting played, but think it is bad really but at times you gotto do what you gotto do.
dgeneratio
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03:07 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
You could use a Code of Conduct and have a section of fair play:

http://funkysnookerclanleague.weebly.com/90-code-of-conduct.html
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03:08 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
The reversing thing we can't do much about as Captain has that power, I think tactical subbing should be allowed but picking opponents should not (even though i did it against Elite Force, i had problems with lag however i knew Pete was better than myself so asked if he wanted to play it since he was online which he agreed).

Maybe a ban on subs for first 2 or 3 days unless a decent explanation can be explained to the runner
when a vice/ capt refuses the swap back (which the original capt is totally entitled to do ) how many swap backs are allowed ?
I read before that someone said there has not been a cap on swaps in fcl , there was , it used to be two . The recent situation shows a total farce within the league.
huts24
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03:37 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
i think there should be a limit on subs and swaps shouldnt be allowed . it will be more exciting if u cant be tactical in the last game of the fixture if u have used all your subs amount .

prime example : elite was 1 point ahead of SS once time with one game left , they used there best player to win it lethal which was expected but if this new rule was applied then it would of been much more fun and fair .

something has to be done about these tactical swaps tho as i feel whats happend latly has been in there favour which is unfair and shouldnt be allowed . yeah ofcourse u can reverse but its pointless as the other clan will reverse back and u waste time and effort in not getting games played , we are all playing in clans to play .
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03:40 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I remember when you needed the opposing captains permission for all subs, glad when that stopped but Jay could always make it that in week one or the first 2 or 3 days subs/swaps have to be agreed by both captains, after this time scale no permission is required.
punkpoet
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03:41 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
i think there should be a limit on subs and swaps shouldnt be allowed . it will be more exciting if u cant be tactical in the last game of the fixture if u have used all your subs amount .

prime example : elite was 1 point ahead of SS once time with one game left , they used there best player to win it lethal which was expected but if this new rule was applied then it would of been much more fun and fair .

something has to be done about these tactical swaps tho as i feel whats happend latly has been in there favour which is unfair and shouldnt be allowed . yeah ofcourse u can reverse but its pointless as the other clan will reverse back and u waste time and effort in not getting games played , we are all playing in clans to play .


I'm sorry but you do tactical subs more than anyone huts lol.
Though I do agree, just think its abit funny you saying it.
bluenose1872
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17:02 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I remember when you needed the opposing captains permission for all subs, glad when that stopped but Jay could always make it that in week one or the first 2 or 3 days subs/swaps have to be agreed by both captains, after this time scale no permission is required.


Something i will definitely think about.
bluenose1872
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17:03 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Lethal was in that game from the start if i am not mistaken. The reason you lost is because he claimed a frame that was left by your player (he is well within his rights to do that). The next game set your player also claimed a frame off someone from Uprising so your post above has been made void because of that.
bluenose1872
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17:08 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I have been playing in the FCL league for a good 10+ seasons now but i was not here when there was a cap on swaps in the FCL. Not to my knowledge anyway and when i took over the league from James there was still no cap on them.

Even IF someone proved a reason for a sub there is always the chance it is fake, pretty easy to get your player to message you with something made up so you can get your own way (of course player would only do it if they were also benefiting from it)

Go back on all the threads and look to many and many seasons ago, tactical subbing has always been in the league some people just don't notice it. Everyone wants loads of restrictions in the league, which is all well and good until it harms your clan or every other clan in the league. Its meant to be fun, and if you want me to implement all these rules you want then it won't become fun as you will be more or less players in a very strict league. Rules also have loopholes.
huts24
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17:12 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Lethal was in that game from the start if i am not mistaken. The reason you lost is because he claimed a frame that was left by your player (he is well within his rights to do that). The next game set your player also claimed a frame off someone from Uprising so your post above has been made void because of that.


you are mistaken lethal was subbed into the last game , took dgen place against skiller10 , trust me i should know mate haha.
bluenose1872
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17:16 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Yeah and why did he take James's place? Because James was having issues with his computer and internet. That is not tactical that is common sense.
huts24
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17:28 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Yeah and why did he take James's place? Because James was having issues with his computer and internet. That is not tactical that is common sense.


as u mentioned in one of your posts above that could of been hear say no one knows for real he had internet problems even tho i do believe him . but that set was won due to a tactical sub in . i believe there should be a sub amount so these players who try and avoid playing a huge game has to play and not get subbed out for a better sub .

just my view jay .
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17:30 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree with Alan's idea, but some captains are more friendly with others so I feel 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' could come into play.

I think subs and swaps should be allowed after all we are competing against each other not playing 'tiddly-winks'.

**Even though I'm competitive in that game too lol

Edited at 14:33 Wed 17/07/13 (BST)
bluenose1872
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17:36 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Hear say? It has been on his profile for months. He also mentions it on the forums when he is due to play someone in case his net or computer does go funny. James may be a lot of things in some peoples eyes but he is not a liar. If you ever play him you will see that since he gets the "dgeneratio is not responding" quite a lot.

Was not a tactical sub it was the most active sub that they had, again was done with common sense from Snooker Squad.

Cap on how many subs are allowed now, a lot of teams would have loads of defaults if that was the case, ever since the no limit on subs has been here (since i took over anyway) there has been a huge decrease in the defaults bar one season which was down to one clan. I have the figures and im more than happy to put them up.
bluenose1872
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17:40 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
As stated on several occasions also by myself and by others. This request and view of yours is merely made laughable because you are one of the main culprits in this apparent "tactical subs/swaps".

How can you expect others to take you seriously when all your doing is coming across as a hypocrite....
huts24
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17:42 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Hear say? It has been on his profile for months. He also mentions it on the forums when he is due to play someone in case his net or computer does go funny. James may be a lot of things in some peoples eyes but he is not a liar. If you ever play him you will see that since he gets the "dgeneratio is not responding" quite a lot.

Was not a tactical sub it was the most active sub that they had, again was done with common sense from Snooker Squad.

Cap on how many subs are allowed now, a lot of teams would have loads of defaults if that was the case, ever since the no limit on subs has been here (since i took over anyway) there has been a huge decrease in the defaults bar one season which was down to one clan. I have the figures and im more than happy to put them up.


As i said i did believe him about internet problems but 1 thing i didnt get if he had it for many months ect or even in the set why was he selected to play in the fixture . when i had internet problems i would not select myself to play .
bluenose1872
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17:47 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
It does not happen all the time, although he does have an old computer. He has had it a lot longer than a few months though, but he always gets his games played if he can. By which i mean if he has internet. Nothing wrong with selecting one of your loyal and reliable players at all, but no one can always predict problems that are going to occur. Fact remains that he had that issue and the next reliable and active sub was Lethal_lures. Common sense like i said mate .
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17:47 Wed 17 Jul 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I'm not taking sides but seriously 'the past is the past', Jay is trying to look into how he can change the present and the near future. Leave the past scenarios exactly there 'THE PAST'.

I think there really isn't anything which can e done as all we have to do is trust the captains or vices with their decisions. Tactical or not, virtually impossible to prove or disprove.

Have faith is your own captaincy, your own players and who knows what our teams can achieve.
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