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bluenose1872
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02:20 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
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bluenose1872
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02:25 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
Again, getting more players involved is an excellent argument.
But theoretically speaking, you're saying beating 8 of the best players is easier than beating 5 of the best players?? That makes no sense.
In a 5v5 if you get a single good result (say 10-5), you can potentially lose all the remaining games and still win the tie. In 8v8 you need several good results to cause an upset.

Say the semis end on Sunday, one game is tied. The final should start the next day (for the usual 1 week cup deadline), but can't start because the captains have to get together to play. If one is off for 2 days, that pushes everything back. If we do increase it, what's wrong with 7v7 or 9v9 lol? Avoids all problems. That's what everyone agreed on last time as well.

Last season's final was decided by 1 frame. During the regular clan league, there are usually a couple of ties per season.
bulldog_oc
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02:39 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
i am loving the idea of it but seb with 7 vs 7 and 9 vs 9 in 7 days is quite hectic but plus you would need a very reliable team (not all clan have been reliable) but its also the way the runners want to make things more tense as 5 games is snappy any one can win but might be close.

some people may disagree but thats the whole point of this thread
whocares8x8
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02:42 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
lol I completely agree with you. I prefer 5v5, but it seems the majority want it raised...
bulldog_oc
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02:45 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
well in my opinion you would need to test to see how it works as it might not work and might put the league in jeopardy . When you don't thing thing through it can go all wrong so if you do add this i say you get a little mini cup under way to check if its ok or not
bluenose1872
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02:55 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
In 7 days, im going to have to go back through pages because im sure a fortnight was put in place for the cup games. Unless i read it wrong but im sure me and James discussed this at some point!
ab_rfc
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03:00 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Then we would have the Mickey Mouse and Minnie Cup lol

Sorry couldn't resist lol
bluenose1872
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03:07 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I noticed Alan haha

If the numbers got raised too say 8 v 8 i think the fortnight deadline would be fine, there is alot of positive feedback about this now, but i think in the long run people may start to hate it. As people on here tend to change there mind alot.
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07:15 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Seb-

Didn't like agreeing to differ on that one then?
You're missing the point that it's a lot easier to get a good result against the 6th, 7th and 8th best players in a clan than the best teams' top 5.
A 10-5 upset isn't likely to have any effect in a 5 v 5 either it's going to get reversed with interest in one of the other games if there is a big difference in the sides.

You get 1 tie in the league per division per season from what I can see in tables that's 1/16 games playing 8 v 8.
11 team tourney is only 10 games so a tie would be extremely rare and if it happens why not add a bit more excitement with some sort of play off?

Different suggestion for that eventuality if it's all square at the end of the last game then the 2 players in the last game play a further one frame of each type....real penalty shootout!

2 weeks with 8 players also works a lot better for getting games done than 1 week for 5 players.
punkpoet
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08:34 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I prefer 5vs5, don't think it needs changing.
I feel alot of things are getting changed that don't need to be.
dgeneratio
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09:38 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
its 14 days for cup now.

i will ask the league runners to vote on 5 v 5 or higher, personally i still prefer 5 v 5 but if they (dex, jay, techno) want higher ill have to do it.
dgeneratio
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09:39 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
the time the "shootout wont work is in Semi Finals as there is no cup break then.
cke1982
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10:39 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
schedule seems fine xmas break should be enforced as hard to get games played over xmas
dgeneratio
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11:34 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ill do draw later for the clans and cup
whocares8x8
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11:42 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
Seb-

Didn't like agreeing to differ on that one then?
lol no, because it doesn't make sense. To take a more extreme example: is it easier to beat 8 excellent players, or is it easier to win a 1v1 fixture?
The fewer fixtures, the more likely the upset.
dgeneratio
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12:07 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
First set of fixtures for 6 teams.

Round/Week 1
Mouseketeers v Wolf Pack
Shooters v Unbeatables
Team Angry v Top Dogs

Round/Week 2
Wolf Pack v Top Dogs
Unbeatables v Team Angry
Mouseketeers v Shooters

Round/Week 3
Shooters v Wolf Pack
Team Angry v Mouseketeers
Top Dogs v Unbeatables

Round/Week 4
Wolf Pack v Unbeatables
Mouseketeers v Top Dogs
Shooters v Team Angry

Round/Week 5
Team Angry v Wolf Pack
Top Dogs v Shooters
Unbeatables v Mouseketeers

Second set of fixtures.

Round/Week 6
Wolf Pack v Team Angry
Shooters v Top Dogs
Mouseketeers v Unbeatables

Round/Week 7
Unbeatables v Wolf Pack
Top Dogs v Mouseketeers
Team Angry v Shooters

Round/Week 8
Wolf Pack v Shooters
Mouseketeers v Team Angry
Unbeatables v Top Dogs

Round/Week 9
Top Dogs v Wolf Pack
Team Angry v Unbeatables
Shooters v Mouseketeers

Round/Week 10
Wolf Pack v Mouseketeers
Unbeatables v Shooters
Top Dogs v Team Angry
dgeneratio
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12:09 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Division 2:

First set of fixtures for 5 teams.

Round/Week 1
Latin Legends v Bye
MVP v Underdogs
Top Guns v Snooker Squad

Round/Week 2
Bye v Snooker Squad
Underdogs v Top Guns
Latin Legends v MVP

Round/Week 3
MVP v Bye
Top Guns v Latin Legends
Snooker Squad v Underdogs

Round/Week 4
Bye v Underdogs
Latin Legends v Snooker Squad
MVP v Top Guns

Round/Week 5
Top Guns v Bye
Snooker Squad v MVP
Underdogs v Latin Legends

Second set of fixtures.

Round/Week 6
Bye v Top Guns
MVP v Snooker Squad
Latin Legends v Underdogs

Round/Week 7
Underdogs v Bye
Snooker Squad v Latin Legends
Top Guns v MVP

Round/Week 8
Bye v MVP
Latin Legends v Top Guns
Underdogs v Snooker Squad

Round/Week 9
Snooker Squad v Bye
Top Guns v Underdogs
MVP v Latin Legends

Round/Week 10
Bye v Latin Legends
Underdogs v MVP
Snooker Squad v Top Guns
dgeneratio
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12:17 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
FCL Cup Tournament Tree

Round 1:

Latin Legends vs Team Angry (winner vs Snooker Squad)
Wolf Pack vs Shooters (winner vs Underdogs)
Mouseketeers vs Unbeatables (winner vs Top Guns)

Quarter Final:

Latin Legends/Team Angry vs Snooker Squad
Top Dogs vs MVP
Wolf Pack/Shooters vs Underdogs
Mouseketeers/Unbeatables vs Top Guns

Semi Final:

Winner of Quarter 1 vs Winner of Quarter 2
Winner of Quarter 3 vs Winner of Quarter 4

Final:

Winner of Semi 1 vs Winner of Semi 2

Drawn using http://www.challonge.com/
dgeneratio
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13:13 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Schedule:

(6/11/11 - 20/11/11)

Fixture Set 1 (fixtures 1+2)
Cup Round 1

(20/11/11 - 04/12/11)

Fixture Set 2 (fixtures 3+4)

(04/12/11 - 18/12/11)

Fixture Set 3 (fixtures 5+6)
Cup Quarter Final

(18/12/11 - 01/01/12)

Fixture Set 4 (fixture 7)

(01/01/12 - 15/01/12)

Fixture Set 5 (fixture 8)
Cup Semi Final

(15/01/12 - 05/02/12)

Fixture Set 6 (fixture 9+10)
Cup Final

^^^^

Will update the above on the site when i get the time.

amended it slightly, dont think we need an xmas break as it will run through xmas anyway.

instead only put 1 fixture in xmas slot as anyone should be able to play 1 fixture in that time (Underdogs would be only team not to play through xmas).

Edited at 13:19 Tue 25/10/11 (BST)
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16:47 Tue 25 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
punkpoet said:
I prefer 5vs5, don't think it needs changing.
I feel alot of things are getting changed that don't need to be.


Yeah i agree,

sort of ruins the chance of an upset in the cup if its more than 5 vs 5 nothing wrong with how it is now
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