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dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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12:27 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
true but but what i mean is in that example say chaulk was active every day playing clan games and you put them in fixtures as normal and not notifying you about vacation before fixture is out, when fixture is out they notify you and you can't sub them out for two weeks through no fault of the captains, the opponent is on every day for 14 days, makes effort every few days then chaulk returns in the last week but legend is unavailable. i don't think legend should sub but the rule is pretty much forcing you to sub out that active player.
kris
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12:39 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
the deadlines are and always have been set, Ash.
I am asking for a change in the rule if players, 2 players see that they can get it played, then sure they are happy to get it done, but if the caps are happy also w it, then it should be allowed like. one less to play.
you know the story with lolumadbro atm dont u. he wont be available now till the very last week, yet he tried hard to get it played last nite, when legendpot was supposed to b on.knowing tht we both, u and me want games played quick, not on sunday, then i wouldve asked u for a sub. but as i may not, we have to wait 2 weeks now. needless obstruction by u as you put in a player who is hardly on.
_knightmare_
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12:57 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I put in legend_pot due to the fact I knew he was moving to his University but also he stated he'd be available for selection too. Anyone with half a brain would realise that he is one of our top players. So accompany his availability with his quality it's a no brainer to select him.

Unfortunately he didn't log on last night and I'm still trying to one: ensure he's okay. two: his next available time, three: allocating alternate players to his FBL should the answer to number one be negative.

Correct lolurmadbro has tried to get it played but the deadline is still the same and he should be active throughout. Now when legend_pot is available your player won't be isn't fair on him. Simply only select players who are available the entire fixture and keep back as subs those who aren't and that applies to lolurmadbro too. legend_pot has failed to log on for one day this set, hardly should be deemed/categorised as unavailable.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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13:03 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
^ prime example of what i'm talking about in my example, its things like that what will make me dislike the no sub rule for as long as it remains.

"Correct lolurmadbro has tried to get it played but the deadline is still the same and he should be active throughout. Now when legend_pot is available your player won't be isn't fair on him. Simply only select players who are available the entire fixture and keep back as subs those who aren't and that applies to lolurmadbro too. legend_pot has failed to log on for one day this set, hardly should be deemed as unavailable."

^ same could be said for legend_pot too? knowing he wasn't available daily? i have both on my friends and fuunky has been active and i rarely see legend_pot around.
faust
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13:07 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree with erigert. If both captains agree to the sub it shouldn't be an issue.

As it stands, if a captain selects an inactive player that seems highly unlikely to get their game played in the first fortnight - the team that selected that player should be punished. It's not fair on the player that has to sit twiddling their thumbs for 2 weeks.
lolumadbro
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13:08 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
So I should be available for the entire fixture but It's ok for your player to be available for 2 days out of 21 which is usually the case. I've been available all week and your player hasn't. I was here last night waiting to play but your player didn't show up so that's not my problem.

I'm sorry Ash but real life comes first before an online game. I didn't know I wasn't going be available next week when the fixtures first come out, but even still I always try and get my games done before the last week, your player is hardly active and I'll be available for the last week so don't expect a sub when your player shows up for the next day or 2 when I'm not available.
_knightmare_
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13:14 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
You did the exact same thing with fran, eventually we got a sub. Shadwell sat around twiddling his thumbs for over two weeks, such hypocrisy.

James: We are in the first week for FCL Fix Set 2 are we not? The fixtures have been out since Sunday evening and the only time legend_pot vs lolurmadbro were hoping to have met was yesterday between 3pm-8pm. For an unknown reason that didn't come to fruition and I can only apologise to lolurmadbro for it. I'm unaware of the reasons but I'm 100% confident the match will be completed at a latter Date before the deadline.

Stop labelling legend_pot as inactive when all he has done is failed to log on for one day. The previous set has nothing to do with this one. Also legend_pot doesn't need to be available daily just available will suffice. He has a life too and I will support him as much as I can on the game or not.

Edited at 13:19 Thu 17/09/15 (BST)
triple_b
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13:19 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
You did the exact same thing with fran, eventually we got a sub. Shadwell at around twiddling his thumbs for over two weeks, such hypocrisy.

James: We are in the first week for FCL Fix Set 2 are we not? The fixtures have been out since Sunday evening and the only time legend_pot vs lolurmadbro were hoping to have met was yesterday between 3pm-8pm. For an unknown reason that didn't come to fruition and I can only apologise to lolurmadbro for it. I'm unaware of the reasons but I'm 100% confident the match will be completed at a latter Date before the deadline.

Stop labelling legend_pot as inactive when all he has done is failed to log on for one day. The previous set has nothing to do with this one. Also legend_pot doesn't need to be available daily just available will suffice. He has a life too and I will support him as much as I can on the game or not.


Ok that's fair enough . Thing I don't get is why can't he arrange his own clan games instead of his captain doing it
corsair
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13:33 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Stop labelling legend_pot as inactive when all he has done is failed to log on for one day. The previous set has nothing to do with this one. Also legend_pot doesn't need to be available daily just available will suffice. He has a life too and I will support him as much as I can on the game or not.

So it's fine for legend_pot but not fine for me last set against Phoenix?
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13:36 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
1 week makes more sense to me it seems the 2 week rule, while we didn't have defaults in the first set, makes it more stressful come week 3. I mean swaps are still allowed so tactical subs are a non issue since tactical swaps exist. Idk I just think 2 weeks makes it a bit more difficult than it needs to be.
dgeneratio
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13:40 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Also the part in bold applies fuunky should sub out because he isn't available for last week but its okay for you to keep a player in who isn't on daily.

the deadline is still the same and he should be active throughout. Simply only select players who are available the entire fixture and keep back as subs those who aren't

thats the part i mean here, neither fuunky or legend_pot will be active throughout as legend_pot hasn't logged in in a day and funky will be inactive at some point so in your words you both shouldn't have chosen those players.

i agree though everyone has a life and you shouldn't be on daily, if you can its a bonus but was commenting on what you wrote.
dgeneratio
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13:42 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Stop labelling legend_pot as inactive when all he has done is failed to log on for one day. The previous set has nothing to do with this one. Also legend_pot doesn't need to be available daily just available will suffice. He has a life too and I will support him as much as I can on the game or not.

So it's fine for legend_pot but not fine for me last set against Phoenix?


that was deadline night, its different mate to avoid the default, fixture is still early
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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13:44 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
1 week makes more sense to me it seems the 2 week rule, while we didn't have defaults in the first set, makes it more stressful come week 3. I mean swaps are still allowed so tactical subs are a non issue since tactical swaps exist. Idk I just think 2 weeks makes it a bit more difficult than it needs to be.


true mate, i know you have three weeks to play but feels like how it has always been, the final week rushing to play.

be nice just once to get them done a week early instead of relaxing
_knightmare_
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13:45 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Stop labelling legend_pot as inactive when all he has done is failed to log on for one day. The previous set has nothing to do with this one. Also legend_pot doesn't need to be available daily just available will suffice. He has a life too and I will support him as much as I can on the game or not.

So it's fine for legend_pot but not fine for me last set against Phoenix?


Our issue was Deadline Day and the fact you were and would only be available after 6pm which assisted no one and you paid the consequence by being subbed out. It was never my intention to have you removed contrary to what anyone else thinks, as I proved by trying to sort you out with playing slimeball or off_white too.
_knightmare_
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13:47 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
You did the exact same thing with fran, eventually we got a sub. Shadwell at around twiddling his thumbs for over two weeks, such hypocrisy.

James: We are in the first week for FCL Fix Set 2 are we not? The fixtures have been out since Sunday evening and the only time legend_pot vs lolurmadbro were hoping to have met was yesterday between 3pm-8pm. For an unknown reason that didn't come to fruition and I can only apologise to lolurmadbro for it. I'm unaware of the reasons but I'm 100% confident the match will be completed at a latter Date before the deadline.

Stop labelling legend_pot as inactive when all he has done is failed to log on for one day. The previous set has nothing to do with this one. Also legend_pot doesn't need to be available daily just available will suffice. He has a life too and I will support him as much as I can on the game or not.


Ok that's fair enough . Thing I don't get is why can't he arrange his own clan games instead of his captain doing it


Very fair point I was only offering assistance called being helpful but if it's not then fair enough I'll back down and watch the opponents whinge when they aren't getting any or much cooperation.

Doesn't bother me either way.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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14:00 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
She isn't saying that but members shouldn't have to use social media or texts (or 3rd party) to arrange clan games, i still do it on occasions but it could be deemed being 'lazy' to check messages and leave a reply. Third Party also risks the player not showing for a match.

I do it often on deadline night if i'm short on players but other than that i try to do little of it as i shouldn't be a carrier pigeon even though its helped a few games be played.

I find it right what your doing though using whatever resources you have to contact players and arrange as i know faust does it a lot with his players as well.
faust
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14:02 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
You did the exact same thing with fran, eventually we got a sub. Shadwell sat around twiddling his thumbs for over two weeks, such hypocrisy.


1. I was speaking generally rather than singling out individuals.

2. If we was found guilty of doing the same thing, we should also be punished.

3. This is the first period of time Fran has ever had trouble with. How many people are complaining about your player? If I select Fran now and he can't play his fixtures, I should be penalised as I have other players I know can fulfill fixtures. All games he's involved in now, I'll be subbing him out at the earliest opportunity until his problems are resolved.
kris
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14:06 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
yeah, James.
Real life takes it. ideally we should know when one of our players go on hols or whatever. simples. so we wouldnt put them in to the fixtures...
Life has, no-cross this one out. Funkypool has funny ways to mess about with logic tho.
_knightmare_
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14:09 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I too will from now:

IF any of my players are unavailable for the first two weeks of any fixture and I select them then I will automatically sub them the first day of the 3rd week.

(even if they return)
kris
kris
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14:15 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Also the part in bold applies fuunky should sub out because he isn't available for last week but its okay for you to keep a player in who isn't on daily.

the deadline is still the same and he should be active throughout. Simply only select players who are available the entire fixture and keep back as subs those who aren't

thats the part i mean here, neither fuunky or legend_pot will be active throughout as legend_pot hasn't logged in in a day and funky will be inactive at some point so in your words you both shouldn't have chosen those players.

i agree though everyone has a life and you shouldn't be on daily, if you can its a bonus but was commenting on what you wrote.


i chose a player who has got his games played within few days, always. did not knew about his issues, not sure did he knew it himself, to be honest. he will be back and will play it with no problems. in 10 days time funkyy is back to play it, any day, pretty much any time. more than unlikely tho that legendpot could.

i play players who i know will play their games without me having to chase them. at least i try.

but this post isnt about certain individuals. its about this rule making things harder for everyone, when we could well do without it
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