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dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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14:19 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
yeah true, i have destroyer_v2 who can't play atm due to java so will sub him when i can.

aled i put in next set hoping he stays active and plays despite the dark cloud of doubt i have, hope that cloud can go.

sean comes on when i ask generally but needs to log in more otherwise i may have to leave him out too.

^ probably give them a chance next set, see how it goes.

If all three can't play then my teamlist will be like this...

Pros A (6)
dgeneratio
johnythefox
dvz
triple_b
silent_hill
vixen_xox
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Pros B (5)
nzym_visual
andyw1
crazy_greg
bigcjl2
tension
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^ Pending their returns, could still manage in FCL and FBL, SL i would have to trust my remaining players to do more fixtures
buckjam
buckjam
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14:39 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Keep it as is. Keith is running the show.Follow his lead and it will work out. If it dont moan at the end if necessary not when we have done one set with no defaults and no potential defaults in FBL from what i can see.

If there are defaults though, still dont mean it dont work as there is always defaults in a season. At least with this set rule there is no manipulation within teams and we all know where we stand.
kris
kris
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16:07 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I too will from now:

IF any of my players are unavailable for the first two weeks of any fixture and I select them then I will automatically sub them the first day of the 3rd week.

(even if they return)


i join this bandwagon, too.
the only difference being, tht i wont sub in players who could possibly be offline for 2 weeks, to start with.
triple_b
triple_b
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17:36 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
You did the exact same thing with fran, eventually we got a sub. Shadwell at around twiddling his thumbs for over two weeks, such hypocrisy.

James: We are in the first week for FCL Fix Set 2 are we not? The fixtures have been out since Sunday evening and the only time legend_pot vs lolurmadbro were hoping to have met was yesterday between 3pm-8pm. For an unknown reason that didn't come to fruition and I can only apologise to lolurmadbro for it. I'm unaware of the reasons but I'm 100% confident the match will be completed at a latter Date before the deadline.

Stop labelling legend_pot as inactive when all he has done is failed to log on for one day. The previous set has nothing to do with this one. Also legend_pot doesn't need to be available daily just available will suffice. He has a life too and I will support him as much as I can on the game or not.


Ok that's fair enough . Thing I don't get is why can't he arrange his own clan games instead of his captain doing it


Very fair point I was only offering assistance called being helpful but if it's not then fair enough I'll back down and watch the opponents whinge when they aren't getting any or much cooperation.

Doesn't bother me either way.


Well if he messaged his opponents when he's available and all that then there no need for captain to help and no one would whinge either
horse10000
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20:49 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
The 2 week sub rule has worked well, there was probably only 2 games last set that had any issues to get completed and how they were resolved was totally different and where clan captains make the call.

shads v fran it was well documented from early in the fixture set that fran could not play until the third week which was unfortunate but giving that fran has played every other clan game I would have still expected it to have been played no problems. When it was clear that fran couldn't play it was entirely up to uprising to provide a player at shads times to get the game played, if they were unable to do this I would never expect them to sub him out and the game would have went to default. Uprising would have been penalised which would have been 100% accurate based on that fixture.

legend_pot v corsair was the complete reversal of the shads v fran as corsair was active and legend_pot was not, ash had been told he would be which proved to be inaccurate so again it should have been up to phoenix to provide a sub for corsair. Ash then decided to try and force uprising to sub to suit his players times when corsair was unavailable which uprising were correct to refuse and then when corsair was online even on deadline night, ash chose to say he was unable to play which is fine as we all have issues away from here. corsair then logged off and ash was then able to play if uprising had anyone, if I was captain of uprising I would never have subbed someone into play him I would have let game go to default as phoenix only had themselves to blame. But uprising to their credit decided getting games completed was more important than winning the fixture by a default that would have clearly went in their favour.

Now regardless of what sub rule we had I don't think some situations will ever change, in FBL legend_pot again has been inactive and still has a couple of games to play and we have had 2 and a half weeks now to get them done. I don't see phoenix rushing to provide a sub so don't be surprised if we see a last minute demand for someone to play one of their players on deadline weekend, if I was the clan in question, I wouldn't be subbing my player out I would be making phoenix provide a player to play his active opponent at their available time. People seem to think defaults should never happen, they shouldn't if captains ran their clans efficiently but when they don't I have no problems with games going to defaults as captains can only blame themselves
buckjam
buckjam
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20:59 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Wow a new post of the week Awesome
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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21:02 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
fair point about legend_pot, sean on our side has been inactive too, other team i have no clue, but sean in our case despite being on each day on snooker, pool wise is like legend_pot, comes on and play when asked and rarely logs in.

giving him one chance next set, same as _wales_lad_, if they aren't active then i won't pick them until they commit
_knightmare_
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21:18 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Very informative yet non factual post horse cheers the problem I have after reading all your post is legend_pot plays in Straight. We due to your teams incompetence, uncooperative attitude, and ineptitude have subsequently lost one of our possible subs for Straight.

So whereas usually you do talk much sense and with reason, before you comment or even critique on the actual predicament get to know the facts first.

I'm actively looking into making changes but not prepared due to another teams crap going to allow my team to play a weaker player in an unfamiliar game type.

I unlike others actually ask my players if they can sub or swap not dictate, all will be played in due course.

Edited at 21:23 Thu 17/09/15 (BST)
hippesville
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21:28 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
.....a change from the League Discussion Thread???
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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21:29 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Hope you don't mean me? as if legend_pot isn't subbed the only time i will sub is if i see him online, thats reason i haven't subbed but given a list, me and andy are available and ready to sub in as an when legend_pot or a sub appears.

I dislike Straight and even willing to sub in vs your best player. If you don't want to sub fine, if he appears i will make a sub, if not then i won't as would be no point.

If you do have a sub for Saturday or Sunday let me know and will try and be here, or andy if hes on
horse10000
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21:33 Thu 17 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Very informative yet non factual post horse cheers the problem I have after reading all your post is legend_pot plays in Straight. We due to your teams incompetence, uncooperative attitude, and ineptitude have subsequently lost one of our possible subs for Straight.

So whereas usually you do talk much sense and with reason, before you comment or even critique on the actual predicament get to know the facts first.

I'm actively looking into making changes but not prepared due to another teams crap going to allow my team to play a weaker player in an unfamiliar game type.

I unlike others actually ask my players if they can sub or swap not dictate, all will be played in due course.

Edited at 21:23 Thu 17/09/15 (BST)


So it is uprisings fault that you decided to pick an inactive player again, maybe if you realised your player was going to be inactive you could pick an active one from the start but unfortunately your desire to play your best player overrides any common sense captaining which is the main problem that the new sub rule will now highlight and if it means more defaults you will only have yourself to blame.
achpfsk
achpfsk
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11:02 Fri 18 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree with erigert. If both captains agree to the sub it shouldn't be an issue.

As it stands, if a captain selects an inactive player that seems highly unlikely to get their game played in the first fortnight - the team that selected that player should be punished. It's not fair on the player that has to sit twiddling their thumbs for 2 weeks.


I have had nothing but hassle every time I play against uprising. I've been sat around waiting for your players on many occasions.

I have no doubt that when clan games come to an end that you and uprising will have been one of the reasons why.

Regarding the sub rule. Something needs to be put in place so matches can be played if there are reasons why players can't play. It does seem if you are active for the first 2 weeks or so and then struggle to get online for the last 2 days when the other player finally shows up, you will be accused of trying to play for default. It's amazing how they haven't got any sub's until the very last day where they have 8 players ready to play. It's uter nonsence and needs to stop.
faust
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11:13 Fri 18 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  


I have had nothing but hassle every time I play against uprising. I've been sat around waiting for your players on many occasions.

I have no doubt that when clan games come to an end that you and uprising will have been one of the reasons why.

Regarding the sub rule. Something needs to be put in place so matches can be played if there are reasons why players can't play. It does seem if you are active for the first 2 weeks or so and then struggle to get online for the last 2 days when the other player finally shows up, you will be accused of trying to play for default. It's amazing how they haven't got any sub's until the very last day where they have 8 players ready to play. It's uter nonsence and needs to stop.


Find a single player outside of Phoenix Nights that has had a problem with Uprising - you won't. Ask some of the few decent kids in your clan like _fresh_ what kind of effort we put in to make sure the games get played. Majority of players play their games after 9pm, and you won't. That is always bound to make a fixture tricky to complete.

There is a reason Uprising have had the least defaults over the last 5 seasons. Statistically speaking, your assertions are "uter nonsence"! lol
lolumadbro
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11:18 Fri 18 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I'm not just saying this because I played for uprising but I've never had any problems arranging games against them, played against them twice this season and had no issues whatsoever, what I can say tho It's been a nightmare arranging games against Phoenix at times, in one game last season I had about 4 subs in the space of a week.
achpfsk
achpfsk
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11:25 Fri 18 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
shads v fran it was well documented from early in the fixture set that fran could not play until the third week which was unfortunate but giving that fran has played every other clan game I would have still expected it to have been played no problems. When it was clear that fran couldn't play it was entirely up to uprising to provide a player at shads times to get the game played, if they were unable to do this I would never expect them to sub him out and the game would have went to default. Uprising would have been penalised which would have been 100% accurate based on that fixture.

I didn't have and still don't have a problem with Fran not being able to play, I hope things are as well as can be for him and his family.
I do have an issue with faust and his never ending bull. I turned up to several dates and times that I had to rush about during the day to make only for opponents to not show. I was called several names in messages when I told him it was unfair. Then I was accused of playing for a default despite being online every day, waiting to play anyone that was eligable, at times that I was told they would be online to play.

I honestly don't see why everyone is kissing Faust/uprisings backside (dgen is the president of the Faust/uprising fan club. Get in contact with him for signed 8 X 10 photos)

Now I will be accused of whinging again
achpfsk
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11:29 Fri 18 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
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achpfsk
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11:30 Fri 18 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I'm not just saying this because I played for uprising but I've never had any problems arranging games against them, played against them twice this season and had no issues whatsoever, what I can say tho It's been a nightmare arranging games against Phoenix at times, in one game last season I had about 4 subs in the space of a week.


I had 4 sub's in the space of 3 days.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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11:33 Fri 18 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I honestly don't see why everyone is kissing Faust/uprisings backside (dgen is the president of the Faust/uprising fan club. Get in contact with him for signed 8 X 10 photos)

Now I will be accused of whinging again


better to be a butt kisser than play in phoenix

nah i don't need why i am singled out, sure i had problems with ash in the past which is forgotten but lately their is SO much disrespect in clan games and outside clan games.

Corsair being labeled as scared
Huts calling a teammates result shocking
Kliens write up of 2pac's game who is in your clan by the way, in a private message i even rewrote the message Klien wrote to praise his opponent.
faust
faust
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11:37 Fri 18 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Utter nonsense - Oh no Faust has taken the mickey out of my spelling that I typed on a small touchscreen keyboard. What will I ever do with myself now?

I'll put it out in the open. You keep pushing me and I'm going to teach you a life lesson.


By far THE most hilarious thing I've ever read on funkypool! What you gonna do? Whinge me to death? Drown me in a pool of tears? Spit your dummy into my eye?
buckjam
buckjam
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11:44 Fri 18 Sep 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I was just wondering if you do wallet size photos D-gen as im not a fan of the 10 x 8. Thanks buddy
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