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01:17 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Oh and for the sake of arguments I actually checked my "polldaddy" account and the old votes are still there albeit not on the website...

How a league should be won?

Frames
44.8% (13 votes)
Fixtures won
48.3% (14 votes)

Other:
6.9% - answers were "frames won" & "points"

Completion Bonus

Increase it
28.6% (8 votes)
Scrap it
28.6% (8 votes)
Leave as is
42.9% (12 votes)


How many divisions

1 Division
46.7% (14 votes)
2 Divisions
53.3% (16 votes)


FBL Bonus System

Increase win bonus points
15.6% (5 votes)
Scrap win bonus points
34.4% (11 votes)
Change to individual win bonus points
15.6% (5 votes)
Leave as is
34.4% (11 votes)

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These were the polls and the only one I didn't go majority on was the last one where it was tied so I made the compromise of individual wins instead.

I did not vote on these and before you claim I just made them up, you can only vote once per PC/IP thingy so impossible.
beenjammin
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01:34 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
44.8% for frames, makes me feel better. Someone told me recently that I'm part of a 10% minority believing in frames.

When you make a decision on this, keep in mind,
the ones who prefer fixtures already have the cup their way.
beenjammin
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01:43 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
About killer, I don't really care if it's 2 2 vs 2, or 3 vs 3. What I'm mainly suggesting is 2 points:
1. Recognize each position accordingly, a different score for each player. 3rd did better than 4th, should get more for it.
2. Give killer the same weight as the other types.
erigert
erigert
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08:10 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  

Besides, I think every type should remain equal.


if i have the two best players on straight 90% of the time i can gain an advantage of 12 points over the other team, instead if i have the two best players on 9ball theres only a 5-10% of chance to gain an advantage of 12 points cause its easier to lose a frame in 9 ball than in straight.
I disagree here. All game types should be equal. There are more than enough good straight players nowadays. Nobody is guaranteed a 3-0 win.


the problem is that the game types are not equal in this current system. even if we measure them by time of play 6 frames of 8US, 9US,8UK last between 20-25 minutes meanwhile 3 frames of straight last 45 minutes. if we change it in 2 frames that will be close to 30 minutes, which would be quite equal with the other types.
They are equal only on the points they give on the fixture, but the way those points are awarded isnt equal.

Edited at 08:16 Fri 06/09/13 (BST)
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08:17 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
You can take it me as implying something of you wish. It says what it says. I asked for the proof of said votes and they weren't there, how odd.

There is no vendetta. I would love you to step down and let people have go as you are not very good at running the league in my opinion. You love the power and don't have a lot else to do so won't.

How many times has the premier league format changed in order for it to 'progress'. Five?....six?......seven? Ehhhh none. Why? Cause if its not broke, dont fix it. An idea lost in these leagues a long time ago.

I will finish any comments today, unless you need the feel to reply, saying these are my opinions which I am entitled to discuss.
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09:30 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Pmsl at these figures suddenly being available again after they were 'deleted' by the way. Need to get me one of these un delete buttons for my lappy!
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09:33 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I posted the results of the poll - I said they were no longer on the website, but I found the account I set up with the provider and I found them - nothing odd about it - I said there were results and there they are ^^^

LOL Why is it that if you don't have a problem with me do you constantly have a dig? I mean what was the dig about clan hopping about before? A pop about a rule that is not even in this league? The votes thing (which I have proved), oh and the most recent, where do I send suggestions to "new league runners"

If you seriously think I have nothing better to do than run a league for people like you then you are sadly mistaken, I have a job, a house to run and a family to spend time. I stayed on as a result of people asking me to (amongst other things) so I am obviously doing something right.

Any change I make is a response to having talked to people. FBL too short - more frames, complaints about subs being made too early - 24 hour cap, absent captains - deadline day free of restrictions. YOU might not like some of the changes but that doesn't mean others feel the same.

No need to reply and continue this discussion, you've made your opinion quite clear but I am going nowhere yet. I am done being bothered by your false statements of me.
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09:39 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Well here is an idea, I was thinking of scrapping the cup too since it is nothing more than an extension of League games.

BUT... I was talking to Jay last night about all the suggestions we have had over the seasons and there was a fairly popular suggestion about merging the FBL and the FCL - in terms of leagues this will never happen but what if we mixed them for the Cup and just had the one Cup to play for.

For example...

8 games still but

1 x 8US (8 Frames)
1 x 9US (8 Frames)
1 x 8UK (8 Frames)
1 x Straight (2 Frames)
4 x FCL Games

This way there is still the Cup to play for but it has a slight twist on it rather than being just another league style fixture Just an idea... thought I'd put it out there
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11:07 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I dont agree with this the killer should be thebsame points as other game types, why? If kept at 3 players per team, what the team earn should all be accumulated, if that honestly beats 1 team only finishing 1st, 5th & 6th the other team 2nd,3rd and 4th due to the positions, the 2nd team should win.

1st - 10 points
2nd - 8 points
3rd - 6points
4th - 4 points
5th - 2 points
6th - 0 points

Edited at 11:28 Fri 06/09/13 (BST)
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14:21 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Had a bit of a far out idea, thought it would suit fbl best...haters at the ready

home and away games
Playing each other twice in a season once home and once away.
Home captain gets to see the away teams players before naming their team.

Captains like to play manager on here too and would give them a chance to do that, advantage gets reversed in the 2nd fixture so all fair
beenjammin
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14:53 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree that the team getting 2nd,3rd, and 4th should win it.
but 30 points for a game!, If kept at one 3 vs 3, I suggest 5,4,3,2,1,0. keeps it down to 15, at least closer to the other types. But one less person gets to play killer.
erigert
erigert
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15:26 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
i think that we should implement something like Ballon d'Or in football for the next season . at the end of each season each captain can vote for:

Best player (that doesnt mean that the Golden Cue winner should win this too but this can be based on the results a player gets during the season and who against. The runner can make a list of 5-6 players and then each captain can vote )
Best Captain ( each captain and their vice should have the right to vote in this, of corse they can not vote for themselves or their captain in case of the vice)
Most improved player (The runner can make a list of 5-6 players and then each captain can vote )
Best clan (this should not be based only on the results a clan gets, but also on the disponibility they have to get games played and their efforts to keep harmony in their clan)

thought to post this here aswell
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15:43 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree that the team getting 2nd,3rd, and 4th should win it.
but 30 points for a game!, If kept at one 3 vs 3, I suggest 5,4,3,2,1,0. keeps it down to 15, at least closer to the other types. But one less person gets to play killer.


Agree mate, your scorings of the same ilk just better.
cke1982
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16:32 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
8 frames is to long just means more hammerings fbl is going more like fcl i liked the bonus point each game won as winning got u a extra point
whocares8x8
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16:55 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Are you guys kidding?!?!? The team that loses killer should win the most points?
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.... no way we can go for that surely.
whocares8x8
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16:57 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
the problem is that the game types are not equal in this current system. even if we measure them by time of play 6 frames of 8US, 9US,8UK last between 20-25 minutes meanwhile 3 frames of straight last 45 minutes.
without trying to sound like a douche, 3 frames of straight should not last 45 minutes lol.
On the other hand, 6 frames of 8US last 20 minutes? That's less than 4 minutes per frame.
Apparently in your example you have drunk people playing straight and destiny playing vs damee in 8US
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17:04 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
the problem is that the game types are not equal in this current system. even if we measure them by time of play 6 frames of 8US, 9US,8UK last between 20-25 minutes meanwhile 3 frames of straight last 45 minutes.
without trying to sound like a douche, 3 frames of straight should not last 45 minutes lol.
On the other hand, 6 frames of 8US last 20 minutes? That's less than 4 minutes per frame.
Apparently in your example you have drunk people playing straight and destiny playing vs damee in 8US


1 game of straight vs you lasted me 23 minutes once. damn 126 run.

Was I also the recipient of your 192?

Point being 3 games of straight could easy last over an hour just as 6 games of 9 us could last as little as 6 minutes, or up to about 45 depending on run of the balls and tactics etc.
whocares8x8
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17:07 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Yes, if someone has a great run, sure. But the average should not be 15 minutes...

and I hit the 192 vs banana
erigert
erigert
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17:12 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
the problem is that the game types are not equal in this current system. even if we measure them by time of play 6 frames of 8US, 9US,8UK last between 20-25 minutes meanwhile 3 frames of straight last 45 minutes.
without trying to sound like a douche, 3 frames of straight should not last 45 minutes lol.
On the other hand, 6 frames of 8US last 20 minutes? That's less than 4 minutes per frame.
Apparently in your example you have drunk people playing straight and destiny playing vs damee in 8US


i suggest u to buy a chronometer lol
how much time u think straight frames last???
and i didnt said 20 minutes, but 20-25 minutes, and if we want to add more 6 frames of 9us last less than 20 minutes but i took the average of those three types
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17:14 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
To be honest players ought be stopping at 35 out of respect for their opponent unless its in the last frame when the opponent can give their congratulations, best wishes and then leave them to it.
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