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14:08 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
yes ash, upsets are always possible, and starting with a probable score rules out that possibility, but upsets are just that, unlikely. If the game couldn't actually be played, its the next best thing.
What's a bigger injustice?, losing the chance of an upset result?, or what happens to pete's team in my scenario?


Upsets happen a lot, starting with a probable score rules out an upset how is that good ?

upsets happen, wouldn't goe so far as to say a lot. and I didnt say ruling out the possibility of one is a good thing, said it's the next best thing, if the game couldn't be played.
Not nearly as tragic as pete's team losing in my scenario


As I've said been people would have Pete to beat me 7/10 yet I bbc e beat him both clan games comprehensively, I'd be at a disadvantage despite us both making equal effort.

Basing It on effort is at least giving a less player a chance, starting with a starting point if it does goto default and you know it's been equal effort you already know you have lost, quite demoralizing if you . Ask me and will cause more arguing than defaults ever have.
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14:09 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Luck is part of funkypool take that away then . What hope do the lesser players have, they are hoping for a bit of LUCK to get frames of the better players.


Getting the game played, that usually helps with the luck side of things.


But as your all saying sometimes that's impossible, but taking away all those factors takes away part of the game. The starting point should be 0-0 then points awarded for effort and so on.


Why should effort be the sole start of a default?

That means any player of any ability could end up drawing all there fixtures potentially, 7-7 as long as they made serious effort all through the campaign...
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14:11 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
is it fair for pete's team in my scenario?
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14:11 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Let's face it: chapster_7 you are 100% determined to trial this then hopefully in your opinion implement it. We will NEVER totally abolish defaults, it's all part of the game.

Real life, real situations arise and there's nothing anyone can do to control them, what Captains and Vices can do is try to act as quickly and efficiently as we possibly can to prohibit any defaults from happening. (Communication)

I totally disagree with this whole 'predicting the possible outcome' regardless of luck, ability, skill, amount of time been on this site factors. Should and ONLY be based upon Effort and Application.

A defaults occurred due to a match not being either arranged concisely or one or both players not being as co-operative as they should have been. The same applies to the Captain and Vices who have failed to act appropriately so should all suffer the default consequences.

It's all well and good thinking up hypothetical scenarios but if the same default process should apply at the start of a season till it's end, if that penalises a team from a title, league position then tough.

Sorry, harsh but fair for all.


Or when half your team leave due someone else.
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14:11 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Luck is part of funkypool take that away then . What hope do the lesser players have, they are hoping for a bit of LUCK to get frames of the better players.


Getting the game played, that usually helps with the luck side of things.


But as your all saying sometimes that's impossible, but taking away all those factors takes away part of the game. The starting point should be 0-0 then points awarded for effort and so on.


Why should effort be the sole start of a default?

That means any player of any ability could end up drawing all there fixtures potentially, 7-7 as long as they made serious effort all through the campaign...


Then it's the captains fault for not sorting a swap or sub.
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14:12 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
is it fair for pete's team in my scenario?


No, but it's the team's fault for not sorting a sub or swap. Early enough as it's a team game then the team suffer.
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14:12 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Luck is part of funkypool take that away then . What hope do the lesser players have, they are hoping for a bit of LUCK to get frames of the better players.


Getting the game played, that usually helps with the luck side of things.


But as your all saying sometimes that's impossible, but taking away all those factors takes away part of the game. The starting point should be 0-0 then points awarded for effort and so on.


Why should effort be the sole start of a default?

That means any player of any ability could end up drawing all there fixtures potentially, 7-7 as long as they made serious effort all through the campaign...

exactly, no way player z would get 7 points if it was played
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14:12 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Started a new thread but finish this one first.
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14:13 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  


Real life, real situations arise and there's nothing anyone can do to control them, what Captains and Vices can do is try to act as quickly and efficiently as we possibly can to prohibit any defaults from happening. (Communication)


Lol sorry but i couldnt stay away from personal terms here.

Cant you remember that u didnt want to sub out your own player in the game against me, even though clearly he didnt make any effort at all? U even removed chappy from your team why he made a sub the next day. Is this what u mean with communication?
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14:13 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
is it fair for pete's team in my scenario?


No, but it's the team's fault for not sorting a sub or swap. Early enough as it's a team game then the team suffer.


Totally agree 100%
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14:14 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Luck is part of funkypool take that away then . What hope do the lesser players have, they are hoping for a bit of LUCK to get frames of the better players.


Getting the game played, that usually helps with the luck side of things.


But as your all saying sometimes that's impossible, but taking away all those factors takes away part of the game. The starting point should be 0-0 then points awarded for effort and so on.


Why should effort be the sole start of a default?

That means any player of any ability could end up drawing all there fixtures potentially, 7-7 as long as they made serious effort all through the campaign...

exactly, no way player z would get 7 points if it was played


Then it comes down to its a team game and the captain hasn't done his/her job in realising early enough the fixture was a struggle to get played.
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14:15 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  


Real life, real situations arise and there's nothing anyone can do to control them, what Captains and Vices can do is try to act as quickly and efficiently as we possibly can to prohibit any defaults from happening. (Communication)


Lol sorry but i couldnt stay away from personal terms here.

Cant you remember that u didnt want to sub out your own player in the game against me, even though clearly he didnt make any effort at all? U even removed chappy from your team why he made a sub the next day. Is this what u mean with communication?


Out of respect to said player and the situation mentioned I will pass no further comment. That's old news...moved on.
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14:17 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  


Real life, real situations arise and there's nothing anyone can do to control them, what Captains and Vices can do is try to act as quickly and efficiently as we possibly can to prohibit any defaults from happening. (Communication)


Lol sorry but i couldnt stay away from personal terms here.

Cant you remember that u didnt want to sub out your own player in the game against me, even though clearly he didnt make any effort at all? U even removed chappy from your team why he made a sub the next day. Is this what u mean with communication?


Out of respect to said player and the situation mentioned I will pass no further comment. That's old news...moved on.


Yeah, thats what youre going to say after the next season too. U say one thing and than u do other
beenjammin
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14:20 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Luck is part of funkypool take that away then . What hope do the lesser players have, they are hoping for a bit of LUCK to get frames of the better players.



Getting the game played, that usually helps with the luck side of things.


But as your all saying sometimes that's impossible, but taking away all those factors takes away part of the game. The starting point should be 0-0 then points awarded for effort and so on.


Why should effort be the sole start of a default?

That means any player of any ability could end up drawing all there fixtures potentially, 7-7 as long as they made serious effort all through the campaign...

exactly, no way player z would get 7 points if it was played


Then it comes down to its a team game and the captain hasn't done his/her job in realising early enough the fixture was a struggle to get played.

Still, I dont think player z should be given
chances he wouldn't have had/points he couldn't have earned
if it had been played.
A system like that is just begging for the lesser players to refuse to play games, and try and manipulate the default system.
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14:22 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
Luck is part of funkypool take that away then . What hope do the lesser players have, they are hoping for a bit of LUCK to get frames of the better players.


Getting the game played, that usually helps with the luck side of things.


But as your all saying sometimes that's impossible, but taking away all those factors takes away part of the game. The starting point should be 0-0 then points awarded for effort and so on.


Why should effort be the sole start of a default?

That means any player of any ability could end up drawing all there fixtures potentially, 7-7 as long as they made serious effort all through the campaign...

exactly, no way player z would get 7 points if it was played


Then it comes down to its a team game and the captain hasn't done his/her job in realising early enough the fixture was a struggle to get played.

Still, I dont think player z should be given
chances he wouldn't have had/points he couldn't have earned
if it had been played.


As you have said upsets can happen so you don't know whether a player could of won those points.
beenjammin
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14:25 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
player z vs pete?
Sure you do, if z managed to get 4 points, I'd call that an upset, no way he could get 7.
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14:27 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
player z vs pete?
Sure you do, if z managed to get 4 points, I'd call that an upset.


We are clearly not going to agree, and if implemented into the fcl I doubt ill be around to see it as I think it's ridiculous, I've made enough points against it.
beenjammin
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14:29 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
i think its ridiculous that team match wins have a say in every competition we have this season, and I stuck around, in hopes of better days
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14:31 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
i think its ridiculous that team match wins have a say in every competition we have this season, and I stuck around, in hopes of better days


I would not like to go into a game knowing if it goes to default and we have both had equal effort I'm going to lose, I'm sorry that's not what I play a game for.
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14:36 Fri 2 May 14 (BST)  [Link]  
i think its ridiculous that team match wins have a say in every competition we have this season, and I stuck around, in hopes of better days


I would not like to go into a game knowing if it goes to default and we have both had equal effort I'm going to lose, I'm sorry that's not what I play a game for.

i think idea of the panel matty were to suggest unbiased soloutions when captains couldnt agree, or when captains put in ineligeble players and soforth, they could go on thread and say well, so and so hasnt been on, we cant wait till deadline cos u wont sub em out etc, gat them subbend or your liable at default
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