Show me where adding players to a fixture is in the rules or where after it has been posted on the official subs thread that it has been put on the website (because none of them have).

Captains putting in inactive players often starts the problem, but with a bit of common sense an agreeable situation can be hashed out. If what you outline above could be put into a reasonable action then I would fully support it. Asking a head runner to vet roughly 100 players every weekend asks too much.

Very valid point made by chris about Captains putting a team in that is active.
How about in the instance of inactive players, contact is made with chris, about the possibility of a sub after maybe 7 days?

I said that, permission need be sought before allowed.

I have no idea why the players arnt just left to get their games played. They dont have to have their hands held for 14 days. If after 10 or 11 days they have an issue getting the game played then help out with a sub. Seems to me he's trying to win a medal for games completed the quickest without any regard for opponents or their schedule on the site.Whilst also subbing in his stongest players where it benefits most. 100% within the rules it might be, within the rules of fair play it is not. I dont think changing the rules is fair but if its the only way then so be it.

SUB: DENIED................ LMAO (is this war games now)

you are all pethetic tbh its a game people get beat all the time subs are made to win games u wouldnt sub out a star player for a pethetic one no the aim is to win and by right ash can sub who the hell he wants in to his games if the team did not like it they would not play for him but his team has the backing of how he runs it and if they dont like it use the exit door to your right ...

If players in your clan are so pathetic that they should not be subbed in, why would you have them in the clan in the first place?

The issue is why are subs being made unnecessarily.

I also think the problem is the Win Bonus, under the current system you don't have to sub players out towards end of the fixture if you have won the fixture but if you add a completion bonus then clans would get bonuses regardless of who plays the match so may be another incentive, you could still do it so most guys who wins their match wins the league but i think we need a completion bonus.

The problem is: mind you own damn business, then it and nothing would affect you. What and how we operate has nothing to do with you.

It's all about interpretation: you and your mates will always gang up together regardless, doesn't bother me one little bit. Our subs and swaps are made after careful consideration, if increases the possibility to achieve a better score, who cares. Does it affect your life? NO - Our team is what matters not any individual.

You should be grateful for the added competition as it's been pretty boring watching Uprising, Pros and UB's (not as much) all getting their own way and doing as they please.

Now another entity which has strengthened during the season is competing with the Fabulous 3, now you feel intimidated and threatened. I say GOOD and ENJOY it as this is just the beginning.

Competition is great and so are rivalries - IF you don't like it then join another team or strengthen instead of trying to make ME appear 'oh such the bad person, for not breaching ANY rules'. When deep down all the animosity stems from 'you can't hack or appreciate' the fact another side can be created and be a force to be reckoned with straight away.

C'mon XVth Man - On the predictions page I did say we would win 1 of the Leagues - that were laughed at - in the song title from Jessie J 'Who's laughing Now!' - i hope we prove you WRONG!

Theres nothing wrong with the win bonus at all. Because of frame points scoring, you do need to sub out players unless you are confident in your default.

Completion bonuses are just that. Bonuses to get games played. Once you go down that road you are devaluing the existing games, and those already played, in order to just reward anybody for coming on line and having a bash.

Please tell me you didn't just quote Jessie J

Afraid so - is that worthy of another verbal warning mr supermod?

It does because when we have to put up with the negative tactics because you are so desperate to prove yourself. You bring the problems, we don't want to have the issues but we won't be bullied. To you, your team matters. To everyone else, the league matters. That's why we keep it friendly with everyone who doesn't cause problems.

Competition? don't flatter yourself

Two big clans, Pro's and Uprising. Unbeatables have got there the last few seasons and Phoenix/XVth man came in there and haven't really progressed.

Look at the tables and results, Uprising have outscored XVth man in the FCL against every single team so far. You don't stand a chance of winning the FCL or FBL. I want you to be competitive, but I actually have been disappointed with how far short you fell so far. You've made some good signings and I'm hoping you can be competitive from now on. FBL head to head i'm seeing it, but not overall.

Cups could be anyones as could SL, but I still don't think anyone but Pro's and Uprising will win anything. You are still less likely to win a league than both pros and uprising, you aren't in a strong position anywhere.

True but isn't the objective play all games and have no defaults? Lets say i was online each day but zante was offline 12 days

Under current system:- i could refuse the sub as i would get more in defaults

Under completion:- As players get bonuses for completing fixtures i would have to request a sub for zante to hopefully play and achieve the completion bonus.

I would lose points in that manner but its more satisfactory playing than playing for a default

You cant refuse a sub - subs arent subject to any approval. yes you could still not play and let it go to default but that would be your choice and your risk on what the score might throw up.

I could refuse by simply reversing the sub or by not playing

Under current system i would probably win 13-2 or something in defaults without refusing to play but i know it should be 8-7 or 9-6 either way on playing ability (Yes i could win 15-0 but wouldn't happen realistically) therefore gaining more on defaults so it would make sense not to play even if it hurts me to say it.

Under completion

Clans gain bonuses so i would lose out on points by not playing so it wouldn't make sense.

If you refuse to play a sub with 2 days left you wont be scoring 13 points

yup i know it would rapidly decrease (maybe even into single figures and not equaling 15 so 3-3 or something), you see my point though?

It's a shame, but I'm gonna have to forgot my PC place and finish with clans for the time being.
In any instance this has happened before, it has been due to personal circumstances. Sad to say it's to do with the ongoing crap that some people keep throwing back AND forth.

I will finish my last 2 fixtures for XVth Man and take a break from Clans.

Good Luck to you all

Not to mention you can't reverse a sub

I think we tried the completion bonus over here and it didn't really work. The likelihood is, you won't score as highly in a default as you can potentially in game. There is always the chance that even in a situation like that you won't score as highly as you would if you played and lost. Refusing the sub would have a dramatic impact on the default.

For some situations, those points do not really motivate a clan into action. So you still get a default, even if one clan gets the bonus.