Having seen it a few times now being done by a few people I can hopefully bring it up without anyone taking exception to it.

Adding players to a fixture. I'm guessing it stems from giving players permission to sub into a fixture, but there are differences in theory. It would mean the player with two opponents should maintain equal effort with both, which is unfair. For default purposes, they can't be expected to make an attempt with both. Then in choosing which to make an effort with you become susceptible to making the wrong choice and blame being attributing to you.

I don't see anywhere in the rules where it is allowed. Giving players permission to sub in means they have to do the chasing whereas adding in an extra player only gives the opponent more work that they shouldn't need to do. Officially there should only be one player in a fixture. Surely it's just weak management to leave a fixture in limbo because you don't want to commit to removing a player from there game nor commit to leaving a player in a fixture who will struggle to get it played.

Actually the whole point in just 'adding' a player is to hopefully ensure the match can get played thus providing further options and players. I agree with you about the effort but most players hardly bother to message their opponents now anyhow. As they just play their opponents or another player conveniently within the remit of the match and get them to swap just because it suits.

So on that premise I completely disagree with your post and think if it encourages the chances and possibility without alienating, annoying, upsetting, the original player then it's a healthy option. So many subs are made only for the player too return and have the substitution reversed, this abolishes that having to take place.

Tell me why that needs to be abolished? If a player gets upset because they've been offline for a week or so and got subbed out, they would only make themselves look silly. If the game was aged before they were back then there is no difference to them if the other Ayer was added to the fixture or subbed into it.

Most players still do, even when they're both online. I always message and I know a lot of players still do. I also know those are the players who get more games played and quicker, and fair better in defaults.

It's just a play for defaults, in no way is it advantageous over making the sub or giving permission for the sub to be made if both players were online at the same time. It is just edging your bets instead of making a decision. If it happened on snooker then it wouldn't go down well in defaults. It just puts opponents at a disadvantage and gives then more to do even if they didn't message opponents as they would still have to look out for both.

This isn't snooker so really couldn't care less what goes on over there, apart from my mates teams. (Anger Management & Dirty Domination)

You're entitled to your opinion, you don't need or have to follow the same practise, so really nothing further to add.

We have made a conscious decision to add another player to a few fixtures whilst at the same time completely remove them as a substitute in others. Obviously this is more a temporary procedure, if the original player fails to return then we will have no option but to fully remove them where there's now a duo.

Just not yet, if people concentrated more on their own teams then there would be no need for interference, discussions about another team's practise, if the matches still get played what and why should it matter. As for a default scenario - they a very far and few between (due to Captains being worried about them lol) and i'm sure any effort and application is better than none.

You are making this a personal situation, why you chose to do it is of no concern to me. You are just failing to answer the questions I have.

It's not within the rules, it shouldn't stand or should be added in. Doesn't matter that other clans aren't being forced to do it. We all have to follow the rules.

Seeing as ideas are taken from snooker and vice versa, it is somewhat relevant.

That last part still has nothing to do with the discussion, just a lashing out at others because you feel put under the spotlight. Keep it to yourself if it isn't relevant. If you feel it had then I'll put this another way: if you concentrating more on positive actions instead of an attempt to get around the rules there would be less issues.

I ask again, what advantage does adding a player give over making the actual sub or giving permission to sub in (both are following the rules).

JUST an IDEA:

How about EVERY side being allocate the same amount of subs permitted within the ENTIRE SEASON - It's up to them when they use then but if not used wisely then tough - suffer the consequences of a default. IF some are carried over till 2nd week of a fixture then it's entirely up to the Captain if they need to try get back in a match or save some dignity and decorum - yes in other words use them 'tactically' BUT everyone will have the the same option

Would eliminate all the tactical accusations - would make more competitive, would liven up the matches and bring some fun back.

Ash you are < > trying to change something that worked for years and tears.Take a good look around maybe 6 Clans holding on.
When there was enough Clans to have two Divisions not just one strugling to stay alive.

Now a Team is lucky to make it tru 1 season with out folding,just like you and me have both done.
As old saying does if it aint broke dont fix it.

Please refrain from personal comments

Thanks

Edited by forum moderator chris, at 22:42 Mon 12/01/15 (GMT)

You make me sick too Mikee, stop having ago at Ash for no reason, he is only posting an idea after all.

Can you name one single suggestion Ash has made that has become a rule change? I'm afraid none of your post makes any sense Mike.

Edited by forum moderator chris, at 22:43 Mon 12/01/15 (GMT)

We have had the best part of six completed fixture sets and one uncompleted game. Thats not a sign of struggling clans.

Also I cant think of any major change to the FCL, other than the split, which most agree works anyway.

In reality this is just a protest against a) me selecting your teams in the absence of a list from yourselves despite me posting and asking three times for them and b) me sticking to the established rules (ie 'if it aint broke dont fix it') by not allowing players to be put into fixtures if they hadn't been notified on team changes thread by the time the fixtures were released.

So be it. Moan about me to me or to others but don't try and make arguments elsewhere where there are none. Pool Sharks have done well so far this season and have good players that get games done - even if at the last minute sometimes.

Edited at 22:55 Mon 12/01/15 (GMT)

All the seasons when there were enough teams for 2 divisions your teams were still always struggling for players mikee, many seasons before Ash the devil came along you had teams full of inactive players that you couldn't bear to replace because they had sexy stats or you just didn't notice they hadn't been online for 3 months.

WOW - always a first for everything - Never been called the devil before lol. Thanks.

Good idea !!!!

Hahaha, the only person to respond to your post saying it's a good idea - is yourself! It's actually a pretty bad idea for many reasons, but the main one being that no-one wants any defaults - and this system almost guarantees them.

There is actually nothing wrong with the current system, as long as captains have a little integrity.

FCL - Fixture Set 4 - last one before the Split

Team lists required for the following games by Sunday afternoon (UK) please.

XVth Man v Pool Sharks
Uprising v F.P.D.
The Revolution v Unbeatables
Pocket Dynamos v The Professionals
XVth Man v The Professionals
Uprising v Pool Sharks
The Revolution v F.P.D.
Pocket Dynamos v Unbeatables

Couldn't a killer match fit in lovely with your current cup format for future seasons?

I've read some proposal on a thread to implement no subs for the first 12 days of any fixture. Why should the last 2 days be treated any different to those 12 already passed.

There are already Teams who feel it's their divine right to dictate when players play their matches and force their opponents in to submission as it is. Minimising the 'sub window' will IMO only intensify that behaviour and more than likely increase the risk for more defaults as no one i repeat 'no one' will or deserves to be 'told' what to do.

We all play on this site and join/co-ordinate a clan voluntarily, anyone who feels they have the right or audacity to tell any of my players when and what they should play can quite frankly enjoy the default.

I have stated on numerous occasions i think subs should not be unlimited, there should be a set amount permitted per fixture set or throughout the season.

Whilst they remain 'unlimited' we/I am breaking no rules and if it increases tension or the chances for our TEAM as that's what we are 1-16 players who play or not - then so be it. The TEAM is represented and listed in the Tables not any individual.

Also it's sooooo easy to criticize others when they are doing well, I did predict 'great times ahead', this is just the beginning.

Edited at 01:02 Sat 17/01/15 (GMT)

Why does no-one slag off Pro's, Uprising or UB's when we're all doing well? Genuine question?

And no-one is slagging off "others", there's only one individual that is guilty of making the leagues painful with their tactics season after season. Have you noticed EVERY other clan is sick of it?

Edited at 01:08 Sat 17/01/15 (GMT)

Option was given to Unbeatables which player of ours they wanted to play actually faust, as usual in this league the only crying started after the sub got a great result.



So can hardly whinge after the fact really.

A great idea from horse and i will be giving my full backing behind his idea of not be able to sub/swap in the first 12days into fixs. I hope chris will see its a way forward and it will help all clans.

All clans have faith in there team lists that are sent in all apart from one side who want to cheat in my view. My advice have this new rule inforced and everyone can play there own games when team list come out and it will be fair and easy to get games played .

Edited at 08:26 Sat 17/01/15 (GMT)