Actually Chapster would be very good in my opinion even if it is updating results behind the scenes, If his spreadsheet knowledge is up to scratch then the leagues need him in my opinion.

The Spreadsheets also take TONS of work so the work is a challenge yes, My Spreadsheet has taken weeks of hard work to make the league better and to be honest i would like to see you try if it doesn't require a lot of work.

As for myself, i have already stated i have NO incline to run the clan league, just help update results or provide a spreadsheet.

Craig everyone deserves a second chance don't they? At least i wasn't as bad as my "Co"-Runner Match Fixing.

Also if Admin didn't give players a second chance you wouldn't be unbanned today, basically you wouldn't be allowed to play Funkypool again, same goes for anyone else who got banned in the past. Those who had revokes (including myself) wouldn't be able to post again on Funky.

Why did Admin allow us to roam free and allow us to express ourselves? because they believe we can change.

I know i would be good behind the scenes hence my Spreadsheet but i'm not ready to run the league hence my post on Patience.

If i really wanted to run a league i could make a new league quite easily on Game Events.

Keith already knows i would welcome him to be the Runner next season as in my opinion, he would do a good job too

Wouldn't pay any heed to certainly the second worst runner we've had behind the person who nearly destroyed the league and lost a lot of the history of the league. As for not having a second chance (ironic), I'm sure you did work behind the scenes and have more than proven your worth as a league runner.

Quick to criticise without giving any concrete contributions towards a solution. Leave it to people, don't drag your crap around.

Dgen and chapster are both fine choices, not just Keith and Alan. Previous non staff runners have worked fine. It's the type of person you want not just a moderator.

With the recent news, I'm surprised noone has pointed out....
Why is it that the runners always quit mid-season? Shouldn't they finish what they start?
jay last time, chris now, both leave mid-season!

Thanks though, chris, for all the time you sacrificed for us in the seasons you ran and finished.

Thanks to keith, and the remainder of the existing team ahead of time, for finishing this season.

Whoever does step up and take over, thanks, and how's about, when you decide to step down again, do it between seasons?

Edited at 18:56 Tue 17/02/15 (GMT)

the premature exit came about because admin wouldn't let him work a notice period of sorts with regard to him being a mod. He had asked admin for help on certain aspects and they chose to not only ignore his requests but remove his moderator status immediately. Not ideal I'll grant you but can see exactly where he is coming from. Straw that broke the camels back and all that.

I just want peoples opinions on this matter.
If in a match your player has been online everyday, sent messages posted on threads ect, whilst the other clan have had a player offline 7+ days for a while and when they were online didn't reply.
Then on Sunday the other clan go we have .... online sub in....
Now i think why should I? As a clan cap I ask my players to contact and get games done, if they have done this and it isn't there fault, why should I give there game to someone else?
Now I have in SL refused all ready this season (please don't talk about that) and tbh though I havent refused in another, I may when deadline approach as I feel is bad toward my player if I take him out.

Now without bringing up past or current events, what do you think? Do you think its bad to refuse? Or do you think loyalty to a player is worth more. Remember though I'm good friends with most of my players and I do feel subbing them out in the above conditions is disloyal....

Also can we have no nastiness on the thread? lol just in advance.

In my opinion you shouldn't have to sub out an active player when one team hasn't done as much to play the game.

In the last set i felt we was slightly forced to sub out an active player for the benefit of the fixture. However countering that the other team didn't know the other player had been hurt and the sub did try and arrange but times didn't match so its not like they did nothing to play which is different to the above.

I personally in that situation would not sub as they have done nothing to communicate, if their was communication i would think about it but still be slightly reluctant unless the Win Bonus had been decided.

I personally would only sub in your case if their was Completion Bonus at stake otherwise why risk playing when you could virtually get maximum points from a default providing your guy has done his job also and sends messages to the runner.

Not aiming to start an argument either it is just how i'm feeling

No, no arguments I actually just wanted to see the general feeling. I know I got abit of flack for doing it this season lol.

Also over leaf about league runners, I'd be happy if happy or horse did it, and I'd be happy to assist as I have the last 2 seasons, feel I have the time and the knowledge to assist. Though my tech knowledge is poor LOL.

You don't have to sub out, but refusal to play can weigh heavy. Sometimes the inactivity isn't something that can be helped and peak times tends to be the deadline weekend.

For me, it's pride versus common sense. Where it's a case of one clan feeling they are entitled to the points simply because they've been active all set where their opponents have had issues then they should really just get on with it because a sub from them is going to be the answer whether their own player is highly inactive or not. Common sense would be the clan that can be flexible is (even when they've been active) over the clan that can't be so.

On the other hand, a clan who is deliberately being awkward and trouble should really do the chasing if their opponent has done everything they can. But for the sake of a default you need to be active the whole set (more so at the end when there's a flurry of activity).

I would refuse a sub to a clan who has already refused to sub and prevented the game being played but would make the sub for a clan who is genuinely trying but having issues with number of active players. Easiest way to get round it is to swap your players so in the unplayed game there is someone who will be around at deadline peak times.

In recent events, I empathise with 15th man over what happened. For seasons now, greyhound has been a tricky player to get hold of, and Tappy was on everyday. However, in that situation, you have to consider what the likelihood of 15th's best player getting a 6 - 0 over UB's worst player was. I doubt that would be a 6 - 0, and I also think Horse tried his best in the latter stages for the fixture to be played. I do think we should have some kind of penalty for this situation though.

Tappy has quit clans now, and I can see why. He was on every day of the fixture and it must sting to have been forced out of it. Even though in this particular situation it wouldn't have been right to give a 6 - 0, some deterrent should be introduced to stop clans leaving inactive/semi active players in fixtures that haven't had an arranged or set time for their games to be played.

We were backed in to a corner, unfortunately at the time of not wanting to make a sub we had in fact an eligible player online. Had that not have been the case then the chance of another player were very slim.

Tappy couldn't have done anymore and where it went against our own player and their efforts from day one, maintaining a zero default record were more beneficial for the team. 6-0 were never going to be scored in a default for a couple of reasons. The opposition however late it was, still offered alternatives, did act and make subs plus with all due respect the new (temporary possibly) League Runner were the opponents Captain.

I acted as best I could for the integrity of the Team and unfortunately resulted in the loss of a fine quality player.

We don't need to tick checklist boxes to achieve friends, a Captain does what is right for their TEAM over friendship. I'm sure players appreciate that and will continue to give their utmost. Also ironically coming from me but the less hassle the better for all involved.

Rules are Rules and as it stands as long as both entities show some effort and application no one is in the wrong. The amount should be bought into question and the timings but that's the only thing which can be penalised IMO.

Should be a set rule, regardless if your mate or not, offline say 5 days an automatic sub should be made, also that player not be eligible to be subbed back in till Deadline Day only (last resort).



Edited at 07:07 Thu 26/02/15 (GMT)

It's common courtesy/good sportsmanship/etiquette in my opinion that if your player's lack of activity is the sole reason a game hasn't been done then you give the opponent an active sub in plenty of time so they get to play the game...it's what I used to do as a captain regardless on the effect on the game.

9/2/15-22/2/15
11pm 15/2-sleipnir subbed out for greyhound after not being on once
1pm 20/2-sub requested for greyhound if not back by evening as 3 days off and need time to arrange
7pm 20/2-sub agreed to by Keith if greyhound not back that evening...all 3 eligible subs, myself and all 3 captains from ubs on all evening
12pm 21/2-sub again requested as greyhound 4 days offline and had been promised, Keith on and ignored
7pm 21/2-greyhound reappears replies to message sent 5 days prior saying he'd be on Sunday evening...online for 1 hour of Sunday evening.

Sorry but Keith did not do all he could to get the game played, he wanted their best player to play it or nobody.
Yes greyhound is a different level to the subs he had eligible(no disrespect to anyone he's one of the top 10) so you would want him to play as a captain but common decency should have played a part too and he should have made the sub on the Friday evening like promised.
Add to that the fact that greyhound has said he has no interest in clans any more, hasn't played 1 FCL or FBL game all season only 3 Super League games...was always going to be nearly impossible to play.

That's not to start arguments up either, I understand it from their point of view, it is very unlikely I would get a 6-0 win against a sub but still possible and I do bang in runouts quite regularly too so could have been close but against greyhound would never happen so they want him to play it.
I even still like Keith as a person, get on well with him generally and I even understand all the default crap posts from him and John which are beyond ridiculous...getting accused of it somehow being your fault after you've done everything to try and get a game played for a fortnight is just laughable but it's actually what you need to do to cover yourself for defaults.
It's a very flawed system and the general inactivity of players on the site makes it a lot harder than ever to arrange games properly.
Even with understanding it though I still don't agree with it and personally as a captain I wouldn't sub out someone who has made all the running at the last minute either Zac because principles matter and yes the efforts of your players should be respected too.

Greyhound isn't top 10 imo but he's a class player no doubting that. I'm with you on this tho m8, It's so frustrating when you do everything you possibly can to get the game played and your opponent makes no effort whatsoever and then It's you that ends up getting subbed out. If it was the other way round horse would of been hounding the thread for a sub with 4 or 5 days left.

It has been a problem for a long time mate which has obviously got worse with player's activity on the site getting less.
I don't see an easy solution although I do think something could be done with changing the system so games are arranged by message and that's all that counts for defaults, would cut out a lot of the arguments too.
It takes 1 minute to log in on your phone and reply to a message whilst you're sat on the loo or at work or sat on the loo at work.
If games get played naturally that wouldn't matter of course but it would cut out all this crap of posting that your player is on can we have a sub, you would have to make subs in plenty of time to allow games to be arranged properly and would stop the situation that we are talking about happening.

agree with this totally

I also don't agree that a player that can post on a thread
using a mobile device and claim they were online and available to play

activity is taken into account, even if your not online
all this is taken into account for default purposes

should be by messages from players and captains only
via offline

Another bonus from that would mean that players could come on when they're tired and not wanting to play their clan games freely without feeling pressured as long as they're arranging properly by message.

Far as i know its mostly based on effort made by the players (captains effort can count but its marginal), activity counts little as we can't check each profile, if we had Jan's tracker it would be different

Well, if you send a message every day of a fixture, i think that that shows you are active.

Don't need to send one each day mate, just two or three days at a time unless its a late sub

Your opponent might get the hint haha