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whocares8x8
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23:45 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Good result for SS though you will benefit with your defeat getting wiped
Yeah, I made this argument before the season started so that I could have one loss wiped.
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dgeneratio
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23:46 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
i do

if im being honest ive always wanted it as one 3 vs 3 game from the start (before i became a runner to help out), and im sure Jay did too as many clans would struggle with 2 3 vs 3, take Fighting Eagles they can't be bothered to play even one killer game lol.

when asked to vote it was obvious which one i was going for.

I did warn people at start of the league to trial 2 killer first, looking at this fixture (except for MVP and SS) i don't think its gone too well, i don't understand why it went to 2 killer games when it wasn't trialled.

If killer doesn't work the killer scores could be removed anyway
whocares8x8
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23:46 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
and by the way, you may well remember that i debated heavily against including killer in FBL, this was apparently a reason for doubted_u2 deactivating, because i questioned killers stability in the FBL league.


League runners going back on what they wanted at beginning of season (on majority) isn't going to show to anyone that killer will be be stable in the FBL, they go back on this decision what is the next decision they are going to back track on?
It doesn't lead to anything. Why would there be a snowball effect. Clearly teams are having trouble playing 2 killer games when they're not stable or have few players. We are only 1 fixture in so the only difference it will make is have 6 frames removed from some clans.

What's so bad about that?

We pointed out from the beginning that it's very simple to adjust during the season if it doesn't work out as expected.
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23:46 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
im not a league runner and i never wanted killer in the league
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23:46 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
i also said it should never be in fbl, as it was a logistical nightmare, and im almost certain it will be dropped all together for next season (or even before if we keep changing our minds)

simple,

games should stand.........no defaults, for those that havent been bothered or organised enough to get games played, tough!

We managed both games against arguabley the most inactive clan on the site!
whocares8x8
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23:50 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
It doesn't really matter who wanted it and who didn't. Decisions are made and sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't.
Luckily enough, this one is simple to correct without too much hassle.
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23:53 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Exactly Seb, most clans have played 1 per fixture, while i commend MVP for getting all theirs done, not every clan can manage it, shooters have lost many players, Vipers and apparently mousekeers are struggling with active players, its too much.

taking a handful of results from the league tables wont do too much damage as we are still in fixture one.
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23:53 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
and by the way, you may well remember that i debated heavily against including killer in FBL, this was apparently a reason for doubted_u2 deactivating, because i questioned killers stability in the FBL league.


League runners going back on what they wanted at beginning of season (on majority) isn't going to show to anyone that killer will be be stable in the FBL, they go back on this decision what is the next decision they are going to back track on?
It doesn't lead to anything. Why would there be a snowball effect. Clearly teams are having trouble playing 2 killer games when they're not stable or have few players. We are only 1 fixture in so the only difference it will make is have 6 frames removed from some clans.

What's so bad about that?

We pointed out from the beginning that it's very simple to adjust during the season if it doesn't work out as expected.


Well that is some clans fault then aint it for not been bothered to organise killer games with other captians.

Why should MVP have 1 of there killer scores erased from there result against TA as MVP and TA worked there butts off to get these 2 games of killer played? (unlike some clans)

The clans that need to be punished are the clans that didnt get the 2 games of killer done or even acknowledge the other clans requests for killer
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23:54 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
im not a league runner and i never wanted killer in the league


I never said you was a league runner Jem
horse10000
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23:55 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Who actually voted for 2 x killer as from what i can see sam, matty and jay don't agree with it and that is three of the league runners?


I agreed with it as my option for the one straight one killer got ignored lol.


So cause they didn't vote for 1 and 1, you voted for 2 and 2, sorry there is no logic in that.

From what i can see there is not much who support 2 games of killer per fixture set. Why not bite the bullet now and say 1 per set and see how it goes.


As no one has played 2 games it would be easy to implement, why not ask for a vote from all the clan captains and give the teams what they prefer as they are the ones who have to play it.

I vote for none.

But if we must have it i would vote for 1 per fixture.


Quotes from FBL discussion thread which were ignored, sorry league runners wanted 2 so now they have got it, you can't change the rules after teams have completed games. I requested it was changed before any clan played 2 games and was ignored. This could all have been prevented if they had listened and bit the bullet earlier.
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23:55 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Just checked and only 3 killer games will need to be removed... hardly asking a lot is it
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23:56 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I think (and I have not read all the discussion I don't have the patience to do so) that just allowing maybe the same players or some of the same players to feature in the second killer game would help a lot.

Keep it at 2 games for this season with any player able to play in both games whether previously played in killer or not, and then change it to 1 game next season?
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23:57 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  


Well that is some clans fault then aint it for not been bothered to organise killer games with other captians.

Why should MVP have 1 of there killer scores erased from there result against TA as MVP and TA worked there butts off to get these 2 games of killer played? (unlike some clans)

The clans that need to be punished are the clans that didnt get the 2 games of killer done or even acknowledge the other clans requests for killer


as it stands only MVP have completed all their games, you are saying we should punish 11 clans?
whocares8x8
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23:57 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
The clans that need to be punished are the clans that didnt get the 2 games of killer done or even acknowledge the other clans requests for killer
Why all this talk about punishing?? Nobody needs to be punished for anything lol. jeez.

While MVP would keep their two wins, their opponents would be punished with the loss, whereas other clans would get default results. Is that fair considering for the rest of the season it will only be one game?

Again- it doesn't make any sense to do 12 defaults because a couple of teams managed to get both games done. Take the second result out, then everyone has the same amount of frames played.
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23:57 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
It doesn't really matter who wanted it and who didn't. Decisions are made and sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't.
Luckily enough, this one is simple to correct without too much hassle.


yes, agreed, as i posted before.

For those that have played games, nothing needs to be done, for those who weren't organised enough, then thats only 6 points they've missed out on.

Total joke really, cant wait till mini golf is implimented next season lol

So not about points, i'd be arguing the same if we lost all killer games 6-0.

We put hours of organising into getting the games played, that will be for nothing!
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23:58 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Just checked and only 3 killer games will need to be removed... hardly asking a lot is it


Thats not the point tho Jem is it?

Why should MVP lose points for completing all there games and other clans aint completed there games?

Im sure if clans are genuinely struggling for players(shooters) they can play the same 3 players that played in the first killer game?
dgeneratio
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23:59 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
i was in same situation as you horse, i even said do a separate killer league away from the league as i was afraid this would happen.

but isn't it better to rectify it now rather than keep struggling with 2 killer games per fixture (in my case 3 per fixture)?

If it doesn't work killer scores can be removed anyway and no harm done.
whocares8x8
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23:59 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
We put hours of organising into getting the games played, that will be for nothing!
Yes, we also put hours of organizing into it and didn't manage to get the game against Shooters done? Should we be punished?

Just because you dont get something played doesn't mean no effort was made.

You can't have two games for some teams in the first game and then one for the rest in all the other games. Come on, this is simple lol.
horse10000
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23:59 Sat 7 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I think (and I have not read all the discussion I don't have the patience to do so) that just allowing maybe the same players or some of the same players to feature in the second killer game would help a lot.

Keep it at 2 games for this season with any player able to play in both games whether previously played in killer or not, and then change it to 1 game next season?


Should remain as different players it means that you dont have to face 'seb' twice for example
whocares8x8
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00:00 Sun 8 Jul 12 (BST)  [Link]  
i was in same situation as you horse, i even said do a separate killer league away from the league as i was afraid this would happen.
lol this doesn't matter!! Everyone loves rubbing it in when something doesn't work.

Let's say for a second it had worked- would you all be apologizing on this thread for causing so much grief before it was implemented?

Because that hasn't happened for past decisions that did work out.
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